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YOU SAID: "Please show me where the bible says it is "a bodily resurrection that will be reunited with the soul".
YOU ALSO SAID: "Where do people get the idea that the soul is somehow a separate entity from the body and can live on
the body dies? Where does that come from?"
Your first question is the best question that you have asked so far in my humble opinion very legitimate question because there is no scripture that actually says it, but it will be answered at the end of my post.
Your second question is easy to answer.
Acts 2:27
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Do you see how this scripture deals with the body and soul…separately? It says the BODY will rest…or you could say… the BODY will sleep…IN HOPE…in hope of what?...THAT IT WOULD NOT SEE CORRUPTION…and it didn’t.
It says the Soul will not be left in Hades..it does not say the Soul will rest with the body.
YOU SAID: "Please show me where the bible says it is "a bodily resurrection that will be reunited with the soul".
YOU ALSO SAID: "Where do people get the idea that the soul is somehow a separate entity from the body and can live on
the body dies? Where does that come from?"
Your first question is the best question that you have asked so far in my humble opinion very legitimate question because there is no scripture that actually says it, but it will be answered at the end of my post.
Your second question is easy to answer.
Acts 2:27
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Do you see how this scripture deals with the body and soul…separately? It says the BODY will rest…or you could say… the BODY will sleep…IN HOPE…in hope of what?...THAT IT WOULD NOT SEE CORRUPTION…and it didn’t.
It says the Soul will not be left in Hades..it does not say the Soul will rest with the body.
I believe you incorrectly see this verse as saying that the soul separates itself from the body at death, and lives on.
This is consistent with the story Jesus told about Lazarus. Abrahams bosom was in Hades..all the righteous souls were all held there captive..God made sure they were comforted but as you have pointed out it may have been a paradise, but it sure was in a bad neighborhood. So no soul desired to be left there.
Consider This:
GENESIS 3:19
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”
God is clearly speaking to the body of man here...Notice how He refers to the “sweat of the brow” and “eating food”…non of which the Soul does. It was the BODY that was formed from the dust of the ground…NOT THE SOUL..it BECAME..when God breathed man’s spirit into the body.
GENESIS 3:19
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”
God is clearly speaking to the body of man here...Notice how He refers to the “sweat of the brow” and “eating food”…non of which the Soul does. It was the BODY that was formed from the dust of the ground…NOT THE SOUL..it BECAME..when God breathed man’s spirit into the body.
So what of the Soul at death?
MARK 15:37
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
This means Jesus Soul left His body….So as the body returns to the earth from where it came the Soul does not…based on the scripture above it clearly goes somewhere else.
MARK 15:37
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
This means Jesus Soul left His body….So as the body returns to the earth from where it came the Soul does not…based on the scripture above it clearly goes somewhere else.
Jesus revealed that before His death burial and resurrection, righteous souls were carried by the Angels to Abraham’s bosom, now the Souls are carried into Jesus presence.
It is obvious that the righteous souls of the dead must be reunited with their resurrected bodies because the righteous Souls are with the Lord.
The departing soul of a righteous person going into the pressence of the Lord was a belief of Paul's as well.
PHILLIPPIANS 1:20-26
20 according to my earnest expectation and hope that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ will be magnified in my body, whether by life or by death. 21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. 23 For[c] I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. 24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you. 25 And being confident of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all for your progress and joy of faith, 26 that your rejoicing for me may be more abundant in Jesus Christ by my coming to you again.
Paul is trying to decide here if he should embrace death over life.
PHILLIPPIANS 1:20-26
20 according to my earnest expectation and hope that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ will be magnified in my body, whether by life or by death. 21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. 23 For[c] I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. 24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you. 25 And being confident of this, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all for your progress and joy of faith, 26 that your rejoicing for me may be more abundant in Jesus Christ by my coming to you again.
Paul is trying to decide here if he should embrace death over life.
Paul said to die is gain..Why would He say that? Notice how he refers to death...DEPART...depart from what?...His BODY.
Where does he believe his soul will go when it departs his body?...to the dust of the ground to sleep?...Of course not..whats the gain in that?...TO BE WITH CHRIST! WHICH IS FAR BETTER.... This is very consitent with the story Jesus told about Lazarus and the Richman as well as the verse in 2Corrinthians 5:1-7 "absent from the body IS to be present with the Lord"
If a person dies before Christ returns, his next conscious thought will be the return of Christ. He will be raised from the dead.
AGAIN YOU SAID: "Where do people get the idea that the soul is somehow a separate entity from the body and can live on the body dies? Where does that come from?"
We get it from Paul and Jesus of course, and these are FACTS. Its a FACT that Jesus quoted Abraham, and its also a FACT that Paul said that his soul would be with Jesus when it departed his body.
Now show me where soul sleep is a FACT in scripture, without a list of OT scriptures with an attachment of someones interpretation of what those scriptures may mean. I mean specific FACTS...like I have shown.
We get it from Paul and Jesus of course, and these are FACTS. Its a FACT that Jesus quoted Abraham, and its also a FACT that Paul said that his soul would be with Jesus when it departed his body.
Now show me where soul sleep is a FACT in scripture, without a list of OT scriptures with an attachment of someones interpretation of what those scriptures may mean. I mean specific FACTS...like I have shown.
What Parable insinuates or alludes to its reality or existence..
51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Thes 4:
13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Also, please see my previous post.
what apostle wrote about it or made the statement "I shall remain in the body and know nothing until you resurect me Lord"..... If Soul Sleep is a reality it should be something specific in the Bible that says it plainly without needing a mans interpretation....anything?
If dead people are already in heaven, why is a person's hope the return of Christ? The only person raised from death to eternal life so far is Jesus Christ.
I appreciate your taking the time to write what you did. I know you believe I am in error. I believe you are in error.
One thing is certain, we shall ALL find out.
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