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don't let them wear you done.
Remember at times even Jesus was silent.
Psalm 62
5 My soul, wait silently for God alone,
For my expectation is from Him.
6 He only is my rock and my salvation;
He is my defense;
I shall not be moved.
7 In God is my salvation and my glory;
The rock of my strength,
And my refuge, is in God.
8 Trust in Him at all times, you people;
Pour out your heart before Him;
God is a refuge for us. Selah
Remember at times even Jesus was silent.
Psalm 62
5 My soul, wait silently for God alone,
For my expectation is from Him.
6 He only is my rock and my salvation;
He is my defense;
I shall not be moved.
7 In God is my salvation and my glory;
The rock of my strength,
And my refuge, is in God.
8 Trust in Him at all times, you people;
Pour out your heart before Him;
God is a refuge for us. Selah
D
God has many attributes in Him which he wants to manifest. He is our Father , He is the word,the expression of Himself to us, He is the life to us if are dead, He is our saviour if we are lost, He is our Healer when we are ill. He choose us in Him before the foundation of the world. He loved us so much that He wanted to manifeste His attributes unto us.
This is why we are here in order that God can manifeste His attributes.
Genesis1 vs 27: God created man to His own image, He created them to the image of God, He created man and woman.
The image of God is male and female as a creator.Jesus is the male, we are the female. The female existed as long as the male existed.
When God created man, He created woman also.
"In the beginning" : Is that " In the beginning was the word" are you saying?
Yes we were with Christ before His ascension to heaven.
"BURIED with Him in baptism,in which YOU also WERE RAISED with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. col 2 vs 12
Eph. 2 vs 6:" And raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
This is why we are here in order that God can manifeste His attributes.
Genesis1 vs 27: God created man to His own image, He created them to the image of God, He created man and woman.
The image of God is male and female as a creator.Jesus is the male, we are the female. The female existed as long as the male existed.
When God created man, He created woman also.
"In the beginning" : Is that " In the beginning was the word" are you saying?
Yes we were with Christ before His ascension to heaven.
"BURIED with Him in baptism,in which YOU also WERE RAISED with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. col 2 vs 12
Eph. 2 vs 6:" And raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
C
I am not accustomed to this way of thinking that God is male and female. That Christ needed a female to complete His image. I know for certain that God chose His elect before the foundation of the world, but to imply from that that we are eternal, is to ignore, "In the beginning, God created....." . But, I must ask how you suppose we were with Him before His ascention to Heaven if He were not yet our resurrected Savior? Was it not until, as you quote Eph 2:6, He was raised to Heaven? If there were an "active" Savior in the Old Testament, why then did they had to go to Hades to await their Messiah?
I do not feel I am able to talk to you scripturally about the concepts you are introducing, of which has never entered in my mind and of which I wish not to entertain. Perhaps someone else can pick up on this conversation.
I do not feel I am able to talk to you scripturally about the concepts you are introducing, of which has never entered in my mind and of which I wish not to entertain. Perhaps someone else can pick up on this conversation.
Is this the Question you are referring too?
If there were an "active" Savior in the Old Testament, why then did they had to go to Hades to await their Messiah?
'Before Abraham was I am." He has always been, Proverbs 8 declares this too.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Blessings
If there were an "active" Savior in the Old Testament, why then did they had to go to Hades to await their Messiah?
'Before Abraham was I am." He has always been, Proverbs 8 declares this too.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Blessings
C
No my friend, the Word of God is from eternity, He is the I AM. Jesus, who is the Word incarnated, did become the Savior of the world by the shedding of His blood. The title "Savior" was not applied until the New Testament. If salvation could have been found in the Law, then to what purpose was it that Jesus had to die, if salvation could have been found elsewere?
Yes, they died in faith, but where did they go, to Heaven? NO! to Paradise, Abraham's Bosom? Yes! So, if they had an active Savior at that time, why then is it spoken that they went to Hades?
C
The above question was asked contradictevely to dish's assumption that we as humans are eternal (no beginning and no end). I agree that I should have define "active Savior" to mean the sort of Savior by which Jesus is defined, and to that part, I can see misunderstanding.
when I said:
I was asking others if perhaps they could take over the conversation which I quoted from Dish.
Now, I duly apologize and take full responsibility for not explaining myself better. By no means was I looking for an argument. And because I though people would understand what I meant by "no active Savior", and you answered, I thouhght you were stating that Jesus was always the Savior (not, will be) even in the OT. So, again, I am sorry for offending you because I thought people could read my mind and my intent. In the future, I will ask one's intent before I respond.
Are we still family?
when I said:
I was asking others if perhaps they could take over the conversation which I quoted from Dish.
Now, I duly apologize and take full responsibility for not explaining myself better. By no means was I looking for an argument. And because I though people would understand what I meant by "no active Savior", and you answered, I thouhght you were stating that Jesus was always the Savior (not, will be) even in the OT. So, again, I am sorry for offending you because I thought people could read my mind and my intent. In the future, I will ask one's intent before I respond.
Are we still family?
T
2knowhim, you are not a Christian and you do not bring Christian teaching. The Bible is absolutely clear that Jesus is the only way to be saved from destruction at the last day, but you not only deny that some will be destroyed, you go further and say that none will be destroyed in the true sense of the word, but that the destructive process in some way saves the lost person, denying the only Savior of the world!!!! That is not Christianity.
You have been taught many lies and you propagate them here, and that's what I hate to see. I don't hate you, but I hate what you are doing by defiling the true Christian message that others may read here.
You need to repent of your serious deceptions before it's too late for you.
Tom
You have been taught many lies and you propagate them here, and that's what I hate to see. I don't hate you, but I hate what you are doing by defiling the true Christian message that others may read here.
You need to repent of your serious deceptions before it's too late for you.
Tom
I believe the truth matters to all of us.
She loves God and Jesus Christ is her savior. You love God and Jesus Christ is your savior.
I fully believe some of what she says is false. I fully believe some of what you say is false.
But I'm certainly not going to say either of you are not Christian. That's between you and God.
She loves God and Jesus Christ is her savior. You love God and Jesus Christ is your savior.
I fully believe some of what she says is false. I fully believe some of what you say is false.
But I'm certainly not going to say either of you are not Christian. That's between you and God.
T
So doctrine doesn't matter? We can just say "Jesus is my Savior" and then go and proclaim anything we wish??? You know that can't be. Jesus said we would know true believer's by their fruit. And anyone that teaches that destruction (in some convoluted understanding of that word) has the same power to save as Jesus Christ, the only Savior of the World, is not bearing good fruit.
I say what I say so that maybe she will repent of her heresy. I know what I say hurts feelings, but the truth hurts sometimes in order to heal.
Tom
I say what I say so that maybe she will repent of her heresy. I know what I say hurts feelings, but the truth hurts sometimes in order to heal.
Tom
Doctrine definitely matters, but salvation is of utmost importance. Without it, people will die forever. Romans 10:9 is how to become saved. Whether a person has done this or not is between that person and God.
Phil 1:
14) And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15) Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16) The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17) But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18) What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Phil 1:
14) And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15) Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16) The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17) But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18) What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Tom, I can't say that what you say to me doesn't hurt, but I know you are doing it in ignorance, so I do forgive you.
Truth does not hurt me, but your accusing spirit does. But if you think for one minute that you can judge me like you do and get away with it, you are dead wrong, and for your sake I wish you would stop. What have I said tonight that has got you so worked up?
I have one who judges me, and His judgement is true. It is so obvious that my very presence here bothers you, but I can promise you I'm not going anywhere as long as they let me stay.
I have never denied Jesus Christ as my Lord, because He is, He is the ONLY way to The Father for anyone, living or dead, because He is ready Now to judge both the living and the dead.
As far as destruction and The Righteous Judgments of God, on the Ungodly, I do not deny that either.
So I don't know what your talking about there. What I do believe is there is a difference of how we view those Judgments.
I pray God changes your heart, towards me.
Truth does not hurt me, but your accusing spirit does. But if you think for one minute that you can judge me like you do and get away with it, you are dead wrong, and for your sake I wish you would stop. What have I said tonight that has got you so worked up?
I have one who judges me, and His judgement is true. It is so obvious that my very presence here bothers you, but I can promise you I'm not going anywhere as long as they let me stay.
I have never denied Jesus Christ as my Lord, because He is, He is the ONLY way to The Father for anyone, living or dead, because He is ready Now to judge both the living and the dead.
As far as destruction and The Righteous Judgments of God, on the Ungodly, I do not deny that either.
So I don't know what your talking about there. What I do believe is there is a difference of how we view those Judgments.
I pray God changes your heart, towards me.