Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[newcovenantchristian]

Ok....I'm really trying to work with you here. You say that Christ died to do away with sin. My question to you is WHICH sin? Which breaking of God's law did Christ do away with?
Sorry should have refered to this. If a Christian is not under law, he cannot transgress the law unto death, he is free, therefore he cannot be charged with sin, for sin is the trasnsgression of the law. So Christ paid the penalty of my sin at Calvary, so I am free, and if I am not under law I cannot be guilty of sin, if you see what I mean,For example....we still have people killing people; that is a sin!

We still have people lying! That is a sin!

So when you say Christ died so that a law could be done away with...since we still have some laws of God that are yet being broken...I propose to you that the one law that Christ did do away with..the one law that had power over us because it could not make us perfect, was the law of animal sacrifice. For the moment Christ died and His blood was shed...that law of God no longer held us captive. As a matter of fact, the veil of the temple was torn in tow so that there COULD be no more animal sacrifices.
the good and holy laws of God He would have us keep are still in place, ie the ten commandments(though I see the fourth as Paul wrote in Rom 14:5) but they are written on our heart and mind. meaning we automatically want them to be reflected in our lives, they are part of our DNA so to speak. When I first came onto websites like these I could not even remember all of the ten comandments, but for discussion read up on them. I found I already automatically wanted to follow them for they were written on my heart. I didn't need the literal law to convince me I should live that way. It is all about faith and love Paul said
Carry each others burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ Gal 6:2
He didn't tell us we had to look to each and every literal command in the Gospels and vstrive to obey them all
But although hey are there, Christ died for all my shortcomings at Calvary so I am not guily when I break them(but don't want to) if you see what I mean

So...trying to work with you here....What sin did Christ do away with when He died...seeing we yet have sin and God is returning to punish sinners...those that break His laws?
Christ is not returning to punish Christians for they are free, but bhis blood only covers the sins of Christians, not on non Christians



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Do we need to look to each and every bliteral command or vdo we need to love, for love fulfills the law
My mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer, my wife and I went to look after her during her illness. We loved her greatly. For three months we cared for her in her home. During this time I honoured her
didn't bear false witness against her
didn't steal from her
didn't want to murder her etc
Did I do all this because I looked to literal commandments and strove to obey them? No! I never even thought of them where my mother was concerned, it was because I loved her
Love fulfills th law

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lets put it in simple terms so no one is confused.

The law was given by God, in order to recieve eternal life by following Gods commands, there is only one way, 100% adherence to this law with not one time in ones life breaking the law. Scripture is clear only one man who ever lived fulfilled this aspect of the law, and that was Christ.

So the answer is pretty simple. NO! One can not get to heaven by keeping the commands of the laws of God, for we all have failed and are unable to get to heaven by this method

 

[Eccl12and13]

Christ will not return to punish us for breaking God’s commandments,

Again...let's go to where we are to receive ALL of our doctrine....the scriptures.

What is a sinner according to the word of God?

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Who will God punish upon His return?

Isa.1
[28] And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.

Isa.13
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jude 1
[14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

God is going to punish sinners when He returns.

Sinners are those that break His commandments/laws.

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[Eccl12and13]

Now, if I had not given him those rules, he may have sometimes gone to touch those things but the allure woud not have been so great.

According to your claim it is the fact that there are laws that makes a person sin.

Now in the above you say there are NO laws...but yet you admit to the fact that a person may still sin.

So which is it....when there are laws people will send.

When there are NO laws people will still sin.

Having or not having laws is not what is making people sin...as proven with your statement above.

So tell us....what is the allure to sin in the absence of laws?


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[newcovenantchristian]

Again...let's go to where we are to receive ALL of our doctrine....the scriptures.

What is a sinner according to the word of God?
In regard to sin because men do not believe in me John 16:9

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Who will God punish upon His return?
The non Christian,
Isa.1
[28] And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.

Isa.13
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jude 1
[14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

God is going to punish sinners when He returns.

Sinners are those that break His commandments/laws.
Buit the Christian is covered by the blood of Christ

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Therefore there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death/ FOR WHAT THE LAW WAS POWERLESS TO DO IN THAT IT WAS WEAKENED BY THE SINFUL NATURE, GOD DID BY SENDING HIS SON IN THE LIKENESS OF SINFUL MAN TO BE A SIN OFFERING. and so he condemned sin in sinful man
Rom 8:1-3

 

[Eccl12and13]

I asked Jesus to deal with the lustful act and trusted him to(not easy). After three days the lustful act stopped, whereas this had previouysly been going on for 7 years.

So.....you stopped sinning! So instead of breaking God's laws you started to keep God's laws.

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[Eccl12and13]

Lets put it in simple terms so no one is confused.

The law was given by God, in order to recieve eternal life by following Gods commands, there is only one way, 100% adherence to this law with not one time in ones life breaking the law.

Where.....in ALL of God's word does God ever tell man, man is to keep 100% of His laws for salvation?

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[newcovenantchristian]

According to your claim it is the fact that there are laws that makes a person sin.
Sin/satan uses the good and holy laws of God to arouse all kinds of sinful desires in us in order to condemn us, but the blood of Christ means we cannot be condemned. But in the example of my grandson I said that he would err sometimes if he did not have my rules, but the allure would not be so great, tha is the key. For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace. That doesn't mean we will never err at all,

Now in the above you say there are NO laws...but yet you admit to the fact that a person may still sin.


So which is it....when there are laws people will send.

When there are NO laws people will still sin.
We are in a body of flesh, so we will at times give in to the flesh Paul was not perfect once he became a Christian, but he had huge victory over sin because he was under grace not law.

Having or not having laws is not what is making people sin...as proven with your statement above.
I was told that half of the sex addicts in the US had at one time or another been to 'holiness' churches.
I can believe it
So tell us....what is the allure to sin in the absence of laws?
The flesh, and satan will put temptation in your path to try and dispirit you, get you to look away from Christ
If you are really imtersted I would suggest you buy 'Charles Spurgeons book, 'All of Grace' it far better explains all of this than I can. A brilliant book of which I would thoroughly recommend

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Don't know if that helps

 

[newcovenantchristian]

So.....you stopped sinning! So instead of breaking God's laws you started to keep God's laws.

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Because I knew that the law could not condemn me, didn't you understand the post?
As long as I believed the law could condemn me the problem just got worse, no better. But when I lived by faith in Christ as my only righteousness in God's eyes and looked to Jesus and trusted him to deal with the problem it stopped
I am begining to wonder if you really are sincere in understanding what is being said here, hope I'm wrong

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again...let's go to where we are to receive ALL of our doctrine....the scriptures.

What is a sinner according to the word of God?

Every man woman and child who ever lived but one. And that was Christ. (rom 3: 23)

Who will God punish upon His return?

God is going to punish sinners when He returns.

Then we will ALL be punished, For all have sinned and fall short. Since we are all sinners, He is going to condemn us all.

 

[babyboyblue]

Excluding sinners saved by Grace.

 

[Eccl12and13]

FOR WHAT THE LAW WAS POWERLESS TO DO IN THAT IT WAS WEAKENED BY THE SINFUL NATURE, GOD DID BY SENDING HIS SON IN THE LIKENESS OF SINFUL MAN TO BE A SIN OFFERING. and so he condemned sin in sinful man
Rom 8:1-3

Again.....WHAT LAW was powerless to do something? You guys know the answer. Was Paul speaking of ALL of God's laws here? Let's read....

Rom.8
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

And what Law is Paul speaking of here? Was law did God allow that could not do something? What law could not make the comers there unto perfect? What law was weak that required flesh? What law did Jesus replace when He died?

Did the law of Do not murder require flesh?
Did the law of Do not commit adultery become weak due to flesh?
Did the death of Jesus replace the law of Do not lie?

No.....! There was only ONE set of Laws that could not do something for all of mankind...

The law of animal sacrifices. That was the ONLY law that God sent His son to replace.


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[RedTent]

Eccl12and1]Again...let's go to where we are to receive ALL of our doctrine....the scriptures.

What is a sinner according to the word of God?

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Who will God punish upon His return?

Isa.1
[28] And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.

Isa.13
[9] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Jude 1
[14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

God is going to punish sinners when He returns.

Sinners are those that break His commandments/laws.

When a person who is under grace transgresses the law, he takes it to Christ and is cleansed. Then he is not classed as a sinner. A sinner is unholy, he does not acknowledge the God who created him and the world he lives in. He cannot be cleansed because he does not know of Christ.

It is true that a sinner is one who breaks the commandments, but this statement needs to be tempered with the knowledge of Christ.

 

[newcovenantchristian]

Again.....WHAT LAW was powerless to do something? You guys know the answer. Was Paul speaking of ALL of God's laws here? Let's read....

Rom.8
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

And what Law is Paul speaking of here? Was law did God allow that could not do something? What law could not make the comers there unto perfect? What law was weak that required flesh? What law did Jesus replace when He died?

Did the law of Do not murder require flesh?
Did the law of Do not commit adultery become weak due to flesh?
Did the death of Jesus replace the law of Do not lie?

No.....! There was only ONE set of Laws that could not do something for all of mankind...

The law of animal sacrifices. That was the ONLY law that God sent His son to replace.


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As you believe still that the commandments and laws must be obeyed to inherit eternal life, I assume you are striving concerntedly to obey them all. Can you confirm please if you consciously strive/try to obey the commandments of Christ I placed before you earlier? If you do not, then please be honest in your comments and admit you do not yourself attempt/try to keep every commandment in the Gospels, but I don't see how that can fit in with your stated theology, for surely you are then condemned by your own words

 

[Eccl12and13]

"NO! One can not get to heaven by keeping the commands of the laws of God..."

Hey....if that is what you believe then go for it.

So.....do you encourage others to keep God's laws?

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Just asking.


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[newcovenantchristian]

I am afraid that many come on websites such as these and demand/iinsist that others obey the literal commands of Christ/the Ten Commandments and the quote comes up
If you love me obey my commands.

But then when you get into the detail these people do not themselves attempt, or even try to obey many of the commands they insist others follow, most strange
The following comes to mind

Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?
Jihn 7:19

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey....if that is what you believe then go for it.

So.....do you encourage others to keep God's laws?

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Just asking.


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1. If a person is not born of God, they can't stop sin, I help them get saved first.

2. Once a person is saved, I will do whatever it takes to help them grow in Christ. It is called discipleship

as for you, if you want to get to heaven by the law. Go for it. But you will utterly fail. The pharisees to though they were holy, and did not break Gods law. They were wrong, and so will everyone who tries to get to heaven that way be wrong,

 

[Eccl12and13]

As you believe still that the commandments and laws must be obeyed to inherit eternal life, I assume you are striving concerntedly to obey them all. Can you confirm please if you consciously strive/try to obey the commandments of Christ I placed before you earlier? If you do not, then please be honest in your comments and admit you do not yourself attempt/try to keep every commandment in the Gospels, but I don't see how that can fit in with your stated theology, for surely you are then condemned by your own words

I try to keep them as they are presented. I do my best to keep ALL of God's laws and commandments. I teach my son to do his best at keeping all of God's laws and commandments. Of course we do not keep them perfectly. But God NEVER said we had to.

Why did Christ have to come to die for us? Because ALL were under the curse of the law. Were we under the curse of ALL of God's laws? No. We were only under the curse of one;

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

And why were we under the curse of this one law? Because one man broke God's law.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

So...now that Christ came to remove the curse that required blood....do we go back and continue to sin?

Do we continue to do the one thing that caused us to have eternal life taken away from us?



God forbid!

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[Eccl12and13]

Every man woman and child who ever lived but one. And that was Christ. (rom 3: 23)



Then we will ALL be punished, For all have sinned and fall short. Since we are all sinners, He is going to condemn us all.

God will punish those that know to do good but do not. If you are a Christian or a sinner;

James 4
[17] Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

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[newcovenantchristian]

I try to keep them as they are presented. I do my best to keep ALL of God's laws and commandments. I teach my son to do his best at keeping all of God's laws and commandments. Of course we do not keep them perfectly. But God NEVER said we had to.

Why did Christ have to come to die for us? Because ALL were under the curse of the law. Were we under the curse of ALL of God's laws? No. We were only under the curse of one;

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

And why were we under the curse of this one law? Because one man broke God's law.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

So...now that Christ came to remove the curse that required blood....do we go back and continue to sin?

Do we continue to do the one thing that caused us to have eternal life taken away from us?



God forbid!

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So, if you try to keep them as presented, you never of course let anyone know, or in your heart want anyone to know if you fast, for if you do want anyone to know you are a hypocrite

If you do a good deed you make sure no one knows about it other than the recipient
You don't invite your friends or family for a meal but rather the poor, lame and blind in order to receive your reward in Heaven

If someone stole an item of your clothing, with nothing but love in your heasrt you would offer them something else of yours too.
You would lend to anyone who asked, even an enemy without ever expecting anything back

I could go on but you get the drift
Now, you state eternal life hinges on obeying the commandments, are you confident you're saved?