Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

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God will punish those that know to do good but do not. If you are a Christian or a sinner;

James 4
[17] Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

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1. Those who are christian has passed from life to death. Paul says Christ took everything that was against them, contrary to them, and nailed it on the cross.

2. Your preaching law. Can you tell me where it says the law saves us? Why do you want a spirit of fear, and not an abba father?

3. You can't see your own sin, If you stood in front of God this moment, you would fall on your knees knowing the things you do an a daily basis would separate you from God. Until you see this, you will continue to preach law, and reject Grace.

 
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I noticed no one had any comments on the following posts....


Let's read of what Paul tells us of those that have received the Holy Spirit and what COULD happen to them if they decide to return to their old lifestyle;

Heb.6
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Now what would you consider a person that was, "enlightened", " have tasted of the heavenly gift", " were made partakers of the Holy Ghost", and "And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come"?

If that person were to die...in the state mentioned above...what would you think their chances were of eternal life? I would say they were pretty good. I would say any person in the above state would be saved. But I am not God...I cannot judge. Only God knows their mind. Now let's read what Paul tells us next....

[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Paul says IF these were to fall away it would be impossible to renew then again unto repentance. Now....if it were NOT possible for them to fall away in the first place why would Paul even give us this scenario?

Let's confirm this...

Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[30] For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Now....does any of us know just when their fate is sealed? In other words...will it be after their 1st, 5th or 63rd sin that God turns His head and says enough is enough! Who knows. Only God knows that.

I just gotta include other scripture to confirm;

Ezk.18
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
[25] Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?

So ALL of the good things a righteous person does can be wiped away and counted for nothing if he starts sinning again. And does he have the chance to redeem himself? Let's read;

[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

So if the ONCE righteous DIES in his sins, he shall die the second death.
So what is the one common theme that would keep a person from entering the kingdom of God?

Sin! The breaking of God's laws. Paul tells us that even one that, "....were made partakers of the Holy Ghost...", could turn from serving God and keeping His commandments to sinning again and end up dying the second death..

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2. Your preaching law. Can you tell me where it says the law saves us?


Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Paul tells us that God's laws were ordained to life. What life? If kept...eternal life!


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I try to keep them as they are presented. I do my best to keep ALL of God's laws and commandments. I teach my son to do his best at keeping all of God's laws and commandments. Of course we do not keep them perfectly. But God NEVER said we had to.

Why did Christ have to come to die for us? Because ALL were under the curse of the law. Were we under the curse of ALL of God's laws? No. We were only under the curse of one;

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

And why were we under the curse of this one law? Because one man broke God's law.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

So...now that Christ came to remove the curse that required blood....do we go back and continue to sin?

Do we continue to do the one thing that caused us to have eternal life taken away from us?



God forbid!

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In fact, lets go the whole hog as it were
Why are you spending so much time on this website today?
Why aren't you out ministering to the sick and needy instead? giving shelter to a needy person?
Or inviting a hungry person home fo a meal? etc

Now that may seem harsh, but when it boils down to it, it is easy to make blasse comments and to tell others what they must do to inherit eternal life, but those who insist the commandments are kept to inherit eternal life do not themselves have the slighhtest intention of trying to obey many of them themselves, it has been this way since the comandments were given to Moses.

My only concern here, as always is that sincere people are not crushd with demands that others do not themselves try and keep

The truth is you are no different from the rest of us, you rely totally on grace,
For I repeat, sweeping statements can be made, but if you look hard into what the commandments require and you are honest, you know all you really have is grace
 
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1. If a person is not born of God, they can't stop sin, I help them get saved first.

2. Once a person is saved, I will do whatever it takes to help them grow in Christ. It is called discipleship

as for you, if you want to get to heaven by the law. Go for it. But you will utterly fail. The pharisees to though they were holy, and did not break Gods law. They were wrong, and so will everyone who tries to get to heaven that way be wrong,

I have done my best to answer all questions to the best of my abilities. I had one simple question for you....

"So.....do you encourage others to keep God's laws?"

Do you?


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In fact, lets go the whole hog as it were
Why are you spending so much time on this website today?
Why aren't you out ministering to the sick and needy instead? giving shelter to a needy person?
Or inviting a hungry person home fo a meal? etc

Glad you brought it up. As a matter of fact I am doing JUST what God commanded me to do on His sabbath.

That IS why I am here today!


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Glad you brought it up. As a matter of fact I am doing JUST what God commanded me to do on His sabbath.

That IS why I am here today!


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Then I assume tomorrow, or the next day you are not working you will go out and do whatever you can for the sick and needy and invite them to your home for a meal
Actually according to Christ's teaching you could do that today, for it is good to do good on the Sabbath
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I see you still want to follow law. The sad part is the very thing Hebrews was trying to say you can not see.

we can take if three ways,

if and they might
if, and they might not
if but they can't

what is the if concerning? falling away.

If, (and they might, they might not, or they can't) fall away..

The author is talking to people trying to return to law. what does the law say? It says obey command, If you sin, must do something to have that sin forgiven, returning to that is like saying if you sin, you fall away, The author is rebutting this false gospel. He even tells us why it is in errort. Because for one who lost salvation to be renewed, Christ would have to die again for the sin he forgot to pay for in the first place. Saying one can fall away puts Christ to open shame, and we know this by what he says next.

For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned

paying carefull to the wording, we see this

but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned

near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

see also 1 cor 3: 6 - 15 the same type of story, about "bearing fruit, and recieving reward, and not bearing fruit, and having our reward "burned,. yet being saved, even though as through by fire.

I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.


so we see here that paul planted the seed, Apollos watered the seed, But God caused the growth. the one who did the work is nothing.

Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

as we see, if we do the work God wants, we will be rewarded.

According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it.

For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. if any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will )receive a reward.

so at this judgment, if our work endured ( if it is good ) we recieve reward,

If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire

yet if we remained stagnant, and our work is burnt, we suffer loss ( no reward) yet we will still be saved even though as through by fire.

this in contrast to Hebrews, near to being cursed whose end ( reward ) is to be burned.

we can also look at the begining of hebrews,


vs 1 - 2 : Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

in other words, do not remain stagnant, A person that just goes through the motions, and wants to remain in a "baby "state, move on to maturity. why?? so you can not only help build the foundation paul spoke of in Corinthians., but you can lay up reward stored for you in heaven, failure to do so will not cause you to fall away, for if you could fall away, you could never be saved again, but you will lose reward, and be left standing with nothing to show.

now who wants to do this at then end?? I know I do not.
 
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Eccl12and13

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The truth is you are no different from the rest of us, you rely totally on grace,
And you are correct. I am no different than any of the rest here on the forum. I rely TOTALLY on grace, which I know is the blood of Jesus. And now that He has shed His blood for me, which was the grace that was given...do I now make void His laws?

God forbid!

You have answered the question. I know your position. Would love to know how others feel.

Are there those that believe keeping God's laws are needed for eternal life?

And are there those that believe keeping God's laws are not needed for eternal life?


And please....no emotions....just scriptures!


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And you are correct. I am no different than any of the rest here on the forum. I rely TOTALLY on grace, which I know is the blood of Jesus. And now that He has shed His blood for me, which was the grace that was given...do I now make void His laws?

God forbid!

You have answered the question. I know your position. Would love to know how others feel.

Are there those that believe keeping God's laws are needed for eternal life?

And are there those that believe keeping God's laws are not needed for eternal life?


And please....no emotions....just scriptures!


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No emotion, just plain fact. Honesty is a huge commandment. So why not be honest. Many of Christ's commands you make no effort at all to do or keep yourself.
But you believe eternal life hinges on obediance to commandments

I ask again, are you confident you're saved?
 
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Then I assume tomorrow, or the next day you are not working you will go out and do whatever you can for the sick and needy and invite them to your home for a meal
Actually according to Christ's teaching you could do that today, for it is good to do good on the Sabbath
As I said before....I keep God's laws as it presents itself. Have I offered help to the needy....Yes! Does this position happen every day of my life? No! Do I go and look for people who are in need? No! If someone in need came to me for help, would I help them...Yes! If it is within my means to do so!

I do my best at keeping God's laws and I teach my son to do the same....and that would be ALL of them.


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I do my best at keeping God's laws and I teach my son to do the same....and that would be ALL of them.


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So you do your best/you make a concerted effort to obey each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels, before you answer that must include honesty
 
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No emotion, just plain fact. Honesty is a huge commandment. So why not be honest. Many of Christ's commands you make no effort at all to do or keep yourself.
But you believe eternal life hinges on obediance to commandments

I ask again, are you confident you're saved?
No I am not. Will not know until I am either in the first resurrection...or when my name is called in the final judgment.


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It says obey command, If you sin, must do something to have that sin forgiven,

And do you believe something needs to be done if you sin to have your sins forgiven?


And....Do you encourage others to keep God's laws?




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No I am not. Will not know until I am either in the first resurrection...or when my name is called in the final judgment.


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Cajn I ask how you interpret the following

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time declared the Lord
I will put my laws on their hearts and write them on their minds
Then he adds
Their sins and laless deeds I will remember no more
 
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So you do your best/you make a concerted effort to obey each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels, before you answer that must include honesty
As they present themselves to the best of my abilities. Now let's hear your trap you are trying to get me in.'

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And do you believe something needs to be done if you sin to have your sins forgiven?

What to you is sin may I ask first


And....Do you encourage others to keep God's laws?




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I would encourage others to keep looking to Christ and trusting him to change them through the power of the Holy Spirit in them, as Paul says

It is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh
Phil 3:3
And of course if a person is easrnestly loknig to Christ they asre not seeking at the same time to fulfill the lusts of th flesh
 
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As they present themselves to the best of my abilities. Now let's hear your trap you are trying to get me in.'

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I'm ho out to trap you, but as you do not atempt yourself to make a concerted effort to obey each and every literal command you would help your brother and sister more by admitting it, and therfore be following the second of the two gratest commandemts by doing so. I am sure you would not want to be responsible for giving others the impression you attemted to keep all the commandments if you did not and crush a sincere person who was all too aware of their own shortcomings
 
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Cajn I ask how you interpret the following

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time declared the Lord
I will put my laws on their hearts and write them on their minds
Then he adds
Their sins and laless deeds I will remember no more
Heb.8
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So at some point God will make a agreement with the nation of Israel. Now let's read to find at what time the above will take place....

[11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Whenever this agreement takes place, God's word tells us that ALL shall know Him....from the least to the greatest. Question: Do ALL know the Lord now....from the greatest to the least? Let's continue...

[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Again...whenever this agreement takes place between God and the nation of Israel God will no longer remember their sins.

But again I ask...."Do ALL know the Lord now....from the greatest to the least?" Is this something that has already happened?

God has given us His laws. And just as Paul tells us...he struggles with them in his mind all of the time;

Rom.7
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

But has the time spoken of when, "...they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.", happened yet?

Well...has it? Yet another simple question; Yes or No!

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I would encourage others to keep looking to Christ and trusting him to change them through the power of the Holy Spirit in them, as Paul says

It is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh
Phil 3:3
And of course if a person is easrnestly loknig to Christ they asre not seeking at the same time to fulfill the lusts of th flesh

Just cannot bring yourself to say it huh?

Paul said it. He was not ashamed. Paul encouraged those he preached to to keep the laws and commandments of God.

"Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."
"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:"
"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
" Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:"

I encourage those I see who are not keeping God's laws to do their best to keep them.

Do you encourage those you get a chance to speak to to keep the laws and commandments of God?


"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."


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