Thats sweet, but why not let the Bible tell you what your duty is instead of yourself?
Luke 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do
Eg says Jesus said this to Israel so it was ONLY their Job to their duty.
That is absurd. Jesus gave this illustration to teach all men, their responsibility to God.
To say this does not apply to us, is to flat out reject the words of Christ.
SO what do you think?
Here is the remote context that supports what Jesus said is to all men:
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man
Do you think that mans duty of keeping his commands stopped in the NT, Like Eg teaches?
You speak of "abiding in the vine", what does it mean to abide in the vine? Can you abide in the vine without keeping his commands?
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in himought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
The word " ought" in this passages, is the same Greek word found in Luke 17:10 that means your "duty".
"duty" and "ought" are both from the same word "phelio"
Definition:
opheilō / opheileō
Thayer Definition:
1) to owe
1a) to owe money, be in debt for
1a1) that which is due, the debt
2) metaphorically the goodwill due
Part of Speech: verb
So John is saying here, if you abide in Him, it is your obligation, duty, you owe, your debt, to walk as HE did.
Just as Jesus said "keeping his commands" is our "duty". You two really think we dont have to do our duty?
How did he walk?
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
So that's how he walked, the next passages is clear that we do the same:
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
I am showing you scripture, I am interpreting passages with other passages, words with the usage of the same word.
You all keep writing these long statements of your faith, which consist of only your opinions.
I Jn 2:6 shows what one needs to do to ABIDE in HIM grandpa.
YOu and EG are saying, we do NOT have to keep our duty to God, and EG is say now it is impossible to stop sinning. (wonder why he would think that?)
He also tells you one who has not repented and shown a changed life was never saved, now he says it's impossible to stop??????
He does not understand it is licentiousness to teach their are no eternal consequence for sin among the Christians.
that implies a christian can sin and still go to heaven. Which contradicts much of the Bible, and himself saying one must repent.
It does not matter if he will not explicit say this, and hide it under "you should not sin, your life here will be miserable", of course that is not true at all.
Many indulge in sin, live for the world, in the world, and enjoy every minute of it. They may have been chastised at one time, yet obviously they did not hear, and continued in their serving the god of this world.
Listen to the word of God, by it you will be judged - Jn 12:48 - the same word Jesus spoke to Israel and us.
Jn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Those who "reject" him, and "recieve" not his words are not limited to the Jews.
Anyone who says we can live in sin and go to heaven are "rejecting him" and "not receiving" his words.
EG will not receive Luke 17:10 as he says it does not apply to us, but the Jews. EG it would do you some good to read the passage below:
I Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear
1. Christians will be judged eternally
2. Those who "do not obey the gospel" (not believe, obey) will fact God's wrath.
3. If the righteousness are "scarcely saved" barley saved -whats the point? see below
4. How shall the ungodly AND SINNER in which EG teaches it's impossible not to be?
How long will you all reject the words of Christ? one day it will be too late to repent, do it now.
Luke 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do
Eg says Jesus said this to Israel so it was ONLY their Job to their duty.
That is absurd. Jesus gave this illustration to teach all men, their responsibility to God.
To say this does not apply to us, is to flat out reject the words of Christ.
SO what do you think?
Here is the remote context that supports what Jesus said is to all men:
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man
Do you think that mans duty of keeping his commands stopped in the NT, Like Eg teaches?
You speak of "abiding in the vine", what does it mean to abide in the vine? Can you abide in the vine without keeping his commands?
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in himought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
The word " ought" in this passages, is the same Greek word found in Luke 17:10 that means your "duty".
"duty" and "ought" are both from the same word "phelio"
Definition:
opheilō / opheileō
Thayer Definition:
1) to owe
1a) to owe money, be in debt for
1a1) that which is due, the debt
2) metaphorically the goodwill due
Part of Speech: verb
So John is saying here, if you abide in Him, it is your obligation, duty, you owe, your debt, to walk as HE did.
Just as Jesus said "keeping his commands" is our "duty". You two really think we dont have to do our duty?
How did he walk?
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
So that's how he walked, the next passages is clear that we do the same:
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
I am showing you scripture, I am interpreting passages with other passages, words with the usage of the same word.
You all keep writing these long statements of your faith, which consist of only your opinions.
I Jn 2:6 shows what one needs to do to ABIDE in HIM grandpa.
YOu and EG are saying, we do NOT have to keep our duty to God, and EG is say now it is impossible to stop sinning. (wonder why he would think that?)
He also tells you one who has not repented and shown a changed life was never saved, now he says it's impossible to stop??????
He does not understand it is licentiousness to teach their are no eternal consequence for sin among the Christians.
that implies a christian can sin and still go to heaven. Which contradicts much of the Bible, and himself saying one must repent.
It does not matter if he will not explicit say this, and hide it under "you should not sin, your life here will be miserable", of course that is not true at all.
Many indulge in sin, live for the world, in the world, and enjoy every minute of it. They may have been chastised at one time, yet obviously they did not hear, and continued in their serving the god of this world.
Listen to the word of God, by it you will be judged - Jn 12:48 - the same word Jesus spoke to Israel and us.
Jn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Those who "reject" him, and "recieve" not his words are not limited to the Jews.
Anyone who says we can live in sin and go to heaven are "rejecting him" and "not receiving" his words.
EG will not receive Luke 17:10 as he says it does not apply to us, but the Jews. EG it would do you some good to read the passage below:
I Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear
1. Christians will be judged eternally
2. Those who "do not obey the gospel" (not believe, obey) will fact God's wrath.
3. If the righteousness are "scarcely saved" barley saved -whats the point? see below
4. How shall the ungodly AND SINNER in which EG teaches it's impossible not to be?
How long will you all reject the words of Christ? one day it will be too late to repent, do it now.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Your "duty" of obeying the Law is supposed to get you somewhere. It is supposed to bring you to the realization that you can't perform the demands of God. You need a saviour. It is by faith in God that a person receives this wisdom.
John 15:1-13
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
I wasn't trying to be cute, or sweet, I was trying to show you the commands of Jesus Christ. Our actual duty as christians. The gospel, the good news.