Keep His Commandments

[DiscipleDave]

i know what this generation teaches concerning what His commandments are. This generation teaches that His Commandments are the 10 Commandments given to the Israelites to keep forever. But what does Scriptures teach?

The Apostle John is the one that quoted the most times to "Keep His Commandments" the Apostle John also plainly through the Word of God teaches us children what His Commandments are.

IJOhn3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Now many will say that His commandments are the 10 commandments, but what does the Apostle John say His Commandments are,

IJOhn3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is His commandment, That we should (1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

So Scriptures PLAINLY tell us what His Commandments are, and need no interpretation what His Commandments are. Again man teaches His commandments are the 10 commandments. The inspired Word of God teaches His commandments are to believe on Jesus Christ and to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Believe man or believe inspired Word of God? The choice is your to make. Want more proof? i have many more Scriptural references concerning this topic which can be found HERE.

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[cfultz3]

So Dave,

Basicaly one is to have faith and love. Without either, one cannot see the Father? Yet, I bet you that there will be some who will argue against this fact.

Keep up the good work Dave.

 

[Eccl12and13]

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Which part of the bible is man to live by?

Which scripture are we to receive doctrine?



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[Eccl12and13]

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Who was it that gave His laws to man; The Apostle John, or Jesus Christ?

Who will be the judge of ALL of mankind; The Apostle John, or Jesus Christ?

Who will be the one that will blot names out of the book of life for not keeping His commandments; The Apostle John, or Jesus Christ?


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[cfultz3]

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Who was it that gave His laws to man; The Apostle John, or Jesus Christ?

Who will be the judge of ALL of mankind; The Apostle John, or Jesus Christ?

Who will be the one that will blot names out of the book of life for not keeping His commandments; The Apostle John, or Jesus Christ?


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Is the answer, 'Apostle John?'

 

[Eccl12and13]

Let's read some of what the OP would have some of those that read this thread to believe;

"Why did Jesus and the Disciples and the Apostles all forget to mention that we are still to obey some of the laws in the Old Testament?"

Readers.....Now let's read what Jesus and those that believed in His word really told us.

First let's read what the Judge of all of mankind said is needed for eternal life;

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Does not sound like Jesus forgot to mention that we are yet to keep His laws that He gave in the OT. Let's read more....

1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal.5
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Does not sound as though Paul forgot to tell us that keeping God's laws are needed for eternal life. And more.....


Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


WOW!! Over and over those OT laws keep coming up in the NT as laws that must be kept for entrance into God's kingdom.


Readers..... if you Love God as you say you will not steal, lie, covet, kill or do any of those other laws that He has given us.

And if you love your neighbors as you say you will not do any of those commandments that God said we are not to do against them.


What John did was just to condense ALL of God's laws into TWO; If you love God you will keep His commandments. If you love your neighbor you will keep His commandments.


The scriptures ARE very clear and they DO tell us what the commandments of God are.

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[haz]

Hi Readers,

Just a message to beware of the leaven/doctrine of the likes of Eccl12and13.

Jesus warned his disciples about the leaven/doctrine of the Pharisees (doctrine of works of the law) in Matt 16:6-12
How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? 12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.


Likewise Gal 5:4- 8 give the same warning as Jesus gave.
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.....
........Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

A little leaven (a little of the doctrine of works of the law) leavens the whole lump. Hence beware of such doctrines as they can deceive you so that you will be leavened into following a false gospel of righteousness/salvation by works of the law.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Readers....God's laws NEVER cleared/justified anyone of their sins. The scriptures are very clear that the ONLY thing that cleared man of sins was the blood of Christ; the grace that was given to all of mankind. The works of the law, which was animal sacrifice, could never make those that sinned perfect.

But now that Jesus shed His blood...do we NOT show our love to God by doing as He instructs; keeping His commandments?

Is the following statement false?

What John did was just to condense ALL of God's laws into TWO; If you love God you will keep His commandments. You will not lie, covet, steal, kill or any of the other laws He gave us. If you love your neighbor you will keep His commandments. You will not lie, covet, steal, kill or any of the other laws He gave us against them.


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[Grandpa]

The works of the law, which was animal sacrifice, could never make those that sinned perfect.


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That statement is not correct nor honest.

The works of the Law is a person trying to be holy before the Lord in their flesh through obeying the 10 commandments, the law.
No flesh shall glory before the Lord.

The atonement for falling short of the Law, animal sacrifice, could also not make those that sinned perfect before God.

We are saved from all this by Grace and not works.

 

[GreenNnice]

Readers....God's laws NEVER cleared/justified anyone of their sins. The scriptures are very clear that the ONLY thing that cleared man of sins was the blood of Christ; the grace that was given to all of mankind. The works of the law, which was animal sacrifice, could never make those that sinned perfect.

But now that Jesus shed His blood...do we NOT show our love to God by doing as He instructs; keeping His commandments?

Is the following statement false?

What John did was just to condense ALL of God's laws into TWO; If you love God you will keep His commandments. You will not lie, covet, steal, kill or any of the other laws He gave us. If you love your neighbor you will keep His commandments. You will not lie, covet, steal, kill or any of the other laws He gave us against them.


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Yes.

That statement is not correct nor honest.

The works of the Law is a person trying to be holy before the Lord in their flesh through obeying the 10 commandments, the law.
No flesh shall glory before the Lord.

The atonement for falling short of the Law, animal sacrifice, could also not make those that sinned perfect before God.

We are saved from all this by Grace and not works.

Saying the same thing as above ecc quote, grampsK. Re-read what ecc said, it's both honest and correct, just, in this case, misunderstood.

Grace saves us, not works of the law. Ecc is simply saying this, but, I see, too, where his wording makes you think he is saying 'works' save you, the commandments ARE to be kept, let God deal with the disobedient that work their way to Heaven, it is by God's grace you are saved, through faith--and that not of ourselves ; THAT seals the deal .
So, judge not, He knows their heart, and, that's for all of us to know, not just one.

 

[cfultz3]

May I simply add,

Love is simply the Law condensed, the concept of the Law is perceptually portrayed when it says that we are to be perfect (equitable) as our Father in Heaven is equitable (unprejudiced in His actions) to all. To show Christ that we love Him, we love not in words alone, but by our actions, from our hearts, our souls longings. And by such, we are obedient and that obedience is a heart longing for God's presence.

Psalms 119 is the Son's heart felt longings and well worth reading.

 

[lioncub]

How exactly do we love one another ? By not coveting another's goods, not stealing from one another, not lying to one another etc.

 

[haz]

Yes.

Saying the same thing as above ecc quote, grampsK. Re-read what ecc said, it's both honest and correct, just, in this case, misunderstood.

Grace saves us, not works of the law. Ecc is simply saying this, but, I see, too, where his wording makes you think he is saying 'works' save you, the commandments ARE to be kept, let God deal with the disobedient that work their way to Heaven, it is by God's grace you are saved, through faith--and that not of ourselves ; THAT seals the deal .
So, judge not, He knows their heart, and, that's for all of us to know, not just one.

Hi GreenNnice,

You may not understand what Eccl12and13 actually claims. Consider this quote below of Eccl 12and13.

God is a loving and forgiving God. But He does have as limit. He does have a point at which He will say ENOUGH! For some it may be just once or twice. For others it may be several or even hundreds or thousands of times.

God does not contradict Himself. He will forgive sins BUT.....He will also come to a point when He says enough and punish those that sin against Him!

But does any of us know when enough will be enough? Do WE know that number?

Note how according to Eccl12and13 we don't know whether God forgives once, twice, several times, hundreds of times, or thousands of times. This describes God's expectation of obedience/works of the law as some ambiguous/indistinct expectation that gives Christians no assurance of whether they are saved or not after they receive Christ. It's all based on some ambiguous level of obedience/works of the law instead of grace.

 

[Abiding]

Is the answer, 'Apostle John?'

he a funny guy

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

The law brings a man to see what is expected of him and in so he sees that he needs a savior . He knows he needs to come to the place from sinning,transgressing, to place where the will of God is done in his life, to where he is keeping the commandment being obedient to God. How can any one say that the will of the lord, ( Jesus commands us to love our neighbor as he has loved us, to love God with all their heart mind soul and strength) is being done in our life if one is transgressing against God and their brother.I cannot love with charity out of a pure heart if their is sin in the heart still.
If our eye be single on the lord our whole body will be full of light.
ALL WE DO IS BELIEVE JESUS. He causes us to overcome. 1 john 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the son of God. A person cannot be breaking the commandments which is not overcoming the world and be believing Jesus..

The lord wants to cleanse a person from all their sin ,so that the love of God is perfected in them. The lord wants a person to come to the place where he is breaking the commandments to the place where the WORD OF GOD is being kept in their heart.

how do we know we have fulfilled the commandments which is love at of a pure heart???

1 john 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of god, WHEN WE LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

 

[Abiding]

Hi GreenNnice,

You may not understand what Eccl12and13 actually claims. Consider this quote below of Eccl 12and13.

God is a loving and forgiving God. But He does have as limit. He does have a point at which He will say ENOUGH! For some it may be just once or twice. For others it may be several or even hundreds or thousands of times.

God does not contradict Himself. He will forgive sins BUT.....He will also come to a point when He says enough and punish those that sin against Him!

But does any of us know when enough will be enough? Do WE know that number?

Note how according to Eccl12and13 we don't know whether God forgives once, twice, several times, hundreds of times, or thousands of times. This describes God's expectation of obedience/works of the law as some ambiguous/indistinct expectation that gives Christians no assurance of whether they are saved or not after they receive Christ. It's all based on some ambiguous level of obedience/works of the law instead of grace.

Which in fact as you said its the "Leaven of the Pharisees" at best an "old wineskin"

 

[haz]

The law brings a man to see what is expected of him and in so he sees that he needs a savior . He knows he needs to come to the place from sinning,transgressing, to place where the will of God is done in his life, to where he is keeping the commandment being obedient to God. How can any one say that the will of the lord, ( Jesus commands us to love our neighbor as he has loved us, to love God with all their heart mind soul and strength) is being done in our life if one is transgressing against God and their brother.I cannot love with charity out of a pure heart if their is sin in the heart still.

Hi CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST,

Note the following scriptures regarding the law.
Gal 3:24,25
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Rom 10:4
For Christ is the end of the lawfor righteousness to every one that believeth.

1Tim 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man (Christians), but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,....

We see in scriptures that obedience/works of the law is not a requirement for righteousness/salvation.

Are you claiming that it is?
If so what level of obedience is required?

Also, you mentioned that we need to come to a place where the will of God is done in our lives.
That is correct.
And what is the will of God?
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:

The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" obeyed the will of God. And this was done without any obedience/works of the law too.

If our eye be single on the lord our whole body will be full of light.
ALL WE DO IS BELIEVE JESUS. He causes us to overcome. 1 john 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the son of God.

Amen! This is how we overcome the world. We believe on Jesus. That's it. There's no obedience/works of the law mentioned here at all. That thief on the cross overcame the world without any obedience/works of the law.

A person cannot be breaking the commandments which is not overcoming the world and be believing Jesus..

The lord wants to cleanse a person from all their sin ,so that the love of God is perfected in them. The lord wants a person to come to the place where he is breaking the commandments to the place where the WORD OF GOD is being kept in their heart.

how do we know we have fulfilled the commandments which is love at of a pure heart???

1 john 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of god, WHEN WE LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

The Lord did cleanse us from all our sin once and for all on the cross.
There's no process of continual cleansing as you seem to suggest. Scripture confirms it was completed by Christ's one offering.

1John 5:2 we"keep His commandments"
And what are His commandments?
1John 3:22,23
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Note how this lines up with God's will, John 6:40, believe in Jesus.
It also matches up with what are our works. To believe in Jesus, John 6:29
And what "sin" is the world convicted of?
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.

The thief on the cross got it right and ticked all the boxes above. He believed in Jesus. He did not fornicate by adding obedience/works of the law to God's salvation by grace. He did not frustrate the grace of God, Gal 2:21

 

[Grandpa]

Yes.

Saying the same thing as above ecc quote, grampsK. Re-read what ecc said, it's both honest and correct, just, in this case, misunderstood.

Grace saves us, not works of the law. Ecc is simply saying this, but, I see, too, where his wording makes you think he is saying 'works' save you, the commandments ARE to be kept, let God deal with the disobedient that work their way to Heaven, it is by God's grace you are saved, through faith--and that not of ourselves ; THAT seals the deal .
So, judge not, He knows their heart, and, that's for all of us to know, not just one.

Everything he said was pretty much correct except that one statement. That is the one I picked out and let be known it was error.

If you agree with the statement that I highlighted you are in the same error as he is.

 

[loveme1]

1 John 3

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Notice commandment becomes commandments in verse 24 like in verse 22.

Matthew 5

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 14

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Exodus 20

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Yahshua the Messiah said:

34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Matthew 7

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: 29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

The Messiah tells us to hear and do his sayings, nothing written after is against this but if you are not built on the Rock you will take one line and in ignorance be ignoring the Messiah when he tells us that we should do and teach the Commandments... below that he gives an example to assure us which Commandments we should do and Teach.

Now the original post did not include the whole chapter, if you read the line in its context you will see that the word law and sin was used...

I have taken some lines out of their Chapters only for the benefit of the post always best to read line upon line my friends please consider this.

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

Hi CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST,

Note the following scriptures regarding the law.
Gal 3:24,25
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Rom 10:4
For Christ is the end of the lawfor righteousness to every one that believeth.

1Tim 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man (Christians), but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,....

We see in scriptures that obedience/works of the law is not a requirement for righteousness/salvation.

Are you claiming that it is?
If so what level of obedience is required?

Also, you mentioned that we need to come to a place where the will of God is done in our lives.
That is correct.
And what is the will of God?
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:

The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" obeyed the will of God. And this was done without any obedience/works of the law too.



Amen! This is how we overcome the world. We believe on Jesus. That's it. There's no obedience/works of the law mentioned here at all. That thief on the cross overcame the world without any obedience/works of the law.



The Lord did cleanse us from all our sin once and for all on the cross.
There's no process of continual cleansing as you seem to suggest. Scripture confirms it was completed by Christ's one offering.

1John 5:2 we"keep His commandments"
And what are His commandments?
1John 3:22,23
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Note how this lines up with God's will, John 6:40, believe in Jesus.
It also matches up with what are our works. To believe in Jesus, John 6:29
And what "sin" is the world convicted of?
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.

The thief on the cross got it right and ticked all the boxes above. He believed in Jesus. He did not fornicate by adding obedience/works of the law to God's salvation by grace. He did not frustrate the grace of God, Gal 2:21

Hello brother Haz .

lets talk about the result of someone that is in Christ not under the law, will this person break the commandments? ....

the bible says your not under the law IF you be led by the spirit and IF we are led by the spirit YE SHALL NOT FULFILL THE LUST OF THE FLESH.

If a person is still transgressing he is under the law.If he is not under the law he is keeping the law or rather I say the father and son in that person's vessel is keeping it for him. That person is one with the father and son being kept from all the evil.

The will of the father is to believe Jesus like you said and it also says in 1 thessalonians.

FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD, EVEN YOUR SANCTIFICATION.....

He even tells us to what degree

2 THESSALONIANS 5:23

AND THE VERY GOD OF PEACE SANCTIFY YOU WHOLLY AND I PRAY GOD YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY BE PRESERVED BLAMELESS UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD.

I say all of this to point out that if the will of the father has been done in a person's life that person WILL NOT AND CANNOT SIN.

To answer your question a person must understand just because we are not under the law that does not mean the law does not have to be kept in our lives..

romans 2:12 For as many have sinned without the law shall also perish without law and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

13 FOR NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST BEFORE GOD BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED.

Now this does not mean a person needs to start getting busy for God trying real hard to keep the commandments.
The man comes to enter that his rest by faith.

He does not put that responsability on the man, it is the lord that does everything through him.

A person must walk in the light as he is in the light. By believing what Jesus had done he died once unto sin once whom bore all our sinns in his body, we are seated in heavenly places our lives being hid in Christ.Everything has already been done you are right.

When does this happen in a person's life?? When the person believes that it has happened in his or her life.A person continues in the word until they are set free.

A person cannot believe they have been saved from their sin if they still have sin going on. the enemy tempts men to believe that they are dead while they are still transgressing. He that is dead is freed from sin.

Sin is the direct result of someone not believin Jesus. We are saved when we believe and whosoever is born of God CANNOT sin.

All of this is by faith, not by works.