Can Someone Explain Rev. 12:1-6 to Me?

[Therapon]

My understanding is that the woman was faithful Israel (as opposed to apostate Israel who was represented by the harlot woman of Revelation 17 -18). She, faithful Israel, gave birth to Jesus whom Satan tried to destroy as soon as he was born (the slaughter of the innocents at Bethlehem). Jesus being caught up the throne speaks of Jesus' ascension to the right hand of God. The woman fleeing into the wilderness speaks of the faithful Jews who fled when they saw the Roman armies advancing upon Jerusalem and sheltered in the wilderness of Perea for the last 3 1/2 years of the war.

The woman is described as being clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, and crowned with 12 stars based on the prophetic dream Joseph had in Genesis 37:9-11.

Exactly, except that 1260 prophetic days are actually 1260 years according to Exekiel 4:5-6.

1. The new of Israel was founded in 1948 - 1260 = 688 A.D., the exact year the Muslims began to build the Dome of the Rock on God's holy hill.

2. Meaningless by itself, but the 42 months of Revelation 11:2 are 1278 days and Jerusalem was freed of Gentile control in 1967 -1278 = 688 A.D., again the Dome of the Rock!

3. Also meaningless if it were it not that 1290 days of Daniel 12:11, is 1271 years (when converted into solar years to fit our historic record) and it was exactly 1271 years from the abolition of sacrifices in Daniel's time until 688 A.D., when the Muslims began to construct the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount!

Now, one or two freakish historic hits I might accept as coincidence, but three exact hits at over 2300 years? Statistically impossible! So the Islamic Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount is the biblical "abomination thaat maketh desolate."

 

[zone]

As long as therapon isn't engaging in heresy regarding the essentials of Christianity (e.g. the deity of Christ, salvation by grace, the resurrection of Christ, the gospel, and monotheism), I'm not sure where peterT is coming from with his campaign of ad hominem and fallacious appeal to infantilism.

AoK:
how many Covenants are there today?
Has God offered people One of Two Covenants - both acceptable to Him?
is anyone today going to receive eternal life by thinking they have salvation under the old Covenant?
can anyone claim to know the One True God while denying Jesus Christ?
zone

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Two.
No.
No.
No.

AoK:
how many Covenants are there today?
Has God offered people One of Two Covenants - both acceptable to Him?
is anyone today going to receive eternal life by thinking they have salvation under the old Covenant?
can anyone claim to know the One True God while denying Jesus Christ?
zone

 

[zone]

Are you kidden? The majority of this country is going along with zionism with Islam as the badguys
listen to them yell "nuke em" where have you been?

And what is the fight? What do you suggest they do? Sidelines? Explain what you mean please.

no kidding.
embarrassing isn't the word.
disgraceful is.
worse even.
murder supposedly in the Name of The Judeo-Christian God.
there's only One God.
One Name.
JESUS.

eh.....whatever

 

[zone]

Two.
No.
No.
No.

Originally Posted by zone
AoK:
how many Covenants are there today?

Two.

oh rly? n.m. this for now....:



Has God offered people One of Two Covenants - both acceptable to Him?

No.

is anyone today going to receive eternal life by thinking they have salvation under the old Covenant?

No.

can anyone claim to know the One True God while denying Jesus Christ?

No.

in that case you may want to take a closer look at Therapon's teachings

 

[zone]

Exactly, except that 1260 prophetic days are actually 1260 years according to Exekiel 4:5-6.

1. The new of Israel was founded in 1948 - 1260 = 688 A.D., the exact year the Muslims began to build the Dome of the Rock on God's holy hill.

2. Meaningless by itself, but the 42 months of Revelation 11:2 are 1278 days and Jerusalem was freed of Gentile control in 1967 -1278 = 688 A.D., again the Dome of the Rock!

3. Also meaningless if it were it not that 1290 days of Daniel 12:11, is 1271 years (when converted into solar years to fit our historic record) and it was exactly 1271 years from the abolition of sacrifices in Daniel's time until 688 A.D., when the Muslims began to construct the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount!

Now, one or two freakish historic hits I might accept as coincidence, but three exact hits at over 2300 years? Statistically impossible! So the Islamic Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount is the biblical "abomination thaat maketh desolate."

WHERE IS JESUS CHRIST IN YOUR STORY?

oh no....He doesn't really matter in all this, since Muslims are the abomination, and unbelieving jews (whose 'holy texts' curse Christ and Christians WORSE than the Koran) are saved by some mystical salvational BLINDING from 2000 years ago because the Old Faithful Pharisees were Good Old Testament Wine Skins who couldn't handle the New Wine without EXPLODING so God preserved them so He'd have TWO PEOPLES AND TWO WITNESSES:

redeemed jews and gentiles known as CHRISTIANS
and unbelieving jews known as UNBELIEVING JEWS

and muslims (read: those colored arabs Israel hates) are abominations.

sickening.
sells books post 9-11 though.

 

[Therapon]

Two.
No.
No.
No.

Some believe salvation depends on having the correct doctrine. In my opinion, the Bible teaches that salvation depends on having a humble and contrite heart towards God, regardless of doctrine, Micah 6:8 makes no mention of doctrine and "where there is no law, there is no transgression," Romans 4:15. So one has to ask: What is the only significant difference between the antideluvian era, the Levitical era and the Christian era?

The only important difference between those eras lays in how God willed to reveal Himself to man! Salvation has always been "by grace through faith" regardless of doctrine and regardless on when in history you were born or what your head knowledge might happen to be.

 

[HeidiLight]

This is referring to the constellations. The woman is the sign Virgo and clothed with the sun means that when you look at the sky the sun is shining right around her.. There is also another reference where the sun is at her feet meaning that this is a specific time where the sun happens to be where her feet are. I have not seen the dragon yet, it is prophecy so it is yet to happen. Check out a video called The Star of Bethlehem. It really puts everything into perspective
Heidi

 

[Pilgrimer]

Exactly, except that 1260 prophetic days are actually 1260 years according to Exekiel 4:5-6.

1. The new of Israel was founded in 1948 - 1260 = 688 A.D., the exact year the Muslims began to build the Dome of the Rock on God's holy hill.

2. Meaningless by itself, but the 42 months of Revelation 11:2 are 1278 days and Jerusalem was freed of Gentile control in 1967 -1278 = 688 A.D., again the Dome of the Rock!

3. Also meaningless if it were it not that 1290 days of Daniel 12:11, is 1271 years (when converted into solar years to fit our historic record) and it was exactly 1271 years from the abolition of sacrifices in Daniel's time until 688 A.D., when the Muslims began to construct the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount!

Now, one or two freakish historic hits I might accept as coincidence, but three exact hits at over 2300 years? Statistically impossible! So the Islamic Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount is the biblical "abomination thaat maketh desolate."

Interesting, but I tend to see much more Biblical support for Luke's explanation of the abomination of desolation as Jerusalem being encompassed with armies, which was to be the sign to the believing remnant of Jewish Christians that the end of the Old Testament age with it's Jewish state and Mosaic economy was at hand.

But then I don't tend to put a lot of faith in math, I'm more of a Word person.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[zone]

Some believe salvation depends on having the correct doctrine. In my opinion, the Bible teaches that salvation depends on having a humble and contrite heart towards God, regardless of doctrine, Micah 6:8 makes no mention of doctrine and "where there is no law, there is no transgression," Romans 4:15. So one has to ask: What is the only significant difference between the antideluvian era, the Levitical era and the Christian era?

The only important difference between those eras lays in how God willed to reveal Himself to man! Salvation has always been "by grace through faith" regardless of doctrine and regardless on when in history you were born or what your head knowledge might happen to be.

AoK:

translation: Therapon says jews are preserved under the Old Covenant and may freely reject and blaspheme Jesus because God MADE THEM DO IT by blinding them for 2000 years. they're not responsible to call upon His Name. no need. any mosiach will do, as long as they say they believe in one.

its His Plan apparently to have Two Olive Trees - One Christian and One Unbelieving Jews (who are saved because they sing about some coming messiah while rejecting Christ).

to make this work (and coincidentally it matches and aids Judaism today) he played fast and loose with Daniel's 70th week making it stretch forward in time to have the A.O.D. be the Dome of The Dome of the Rock.

Galatians 4 apparently isn't in Therapon's Bible....or his books. which sell well to anti-arab pro-israel (Genesis 12 corruption a la CUFI) ppl.

 

[HeidiLight]

Actually, if you re-read it, it states, A great sign appeared in heaven....... What Rev. 16 is talking about is the Virgo sign and at certain times throughout history you can see if you study, that the Virgo sign has the sun shining in the middle of her stomach and that represents the Christ birth. There is another reference where the sun is at her feet, this lets us know important times. Watch the video, The Start of Bethlehem directed by Steven Vidano this will really put it all into perspective AMAZING FIND

Heidi

 

[Tan]

No it is not the USA . . .

Revelation 12:1-6 KJV And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun (Jesus is the Sun, Malachi 4:2), and the moon (the Church) under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars (the twelve tribes of Israel, Genesis 37:9) And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon (Satan), having seven heads and ten horns (world empires), and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven (fallen angels), and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron (The Lord Jesus): and her child was caught up unto God (Jesus ascends into heaven, Acts 1:9 and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father, Ephesians 1:19-23), and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness (of the Gentile nations), where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (it was 1260 years from when the Muslims built the Dome of the Rock on God’s Temple mount, until the new nation of Israel was established).

But I don’t expect the above will make any sense to you unless you have read one of my books on the subject like “Islam in the End Times,” which you can download free from ellisskolfield.com.

I agree...your're right...accept that last verse. Revelation 6: And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

That last verse talks about Israel (God's church) the true Israelites who are in captivity today, who will flee in the wilderness for 3 1/2 Years right before the great tribulation!

Lets skip down to verse 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (3 1/2 yrs) 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This future situation will actually be similar to the event that happen to Israel in the days of Moses. But only Israel (true Isrelites) and the stranger thats among Israel, will know this and understand this spiritually and be able to get in this wilderness. Notice the last verse...which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.... peace in jesus name

 

[nathan3]

Actually, if you re-read it, it states, A great sign appeared in heaven....... What Rev. 16 is talking about is the Virgo sign and at certain times throughout history you can see if you study, that the Virgo sign has the sun shining in the middle of her stomach and that represents the Christ birth. There is another reference where the sun is at her feet, this lets us know important times. Watch the video, The Start of Bethlehem directed by Steven Vidano this will really put it all into perspective AMAZING FIND

Heidi

God's word is written in the stars one scripture or two says. So naturally events Like Chirst birth would be recorded in the ancient Zodiac . Two serious works on the subject, books you might like, are:

The Glory of the Stars : by, E Raymond Capt ( Biblical Archaeologist )

Witness of the Stars: by, E W Bullinger ( Biblical Scholar )

 

[Therapon]

Two.
No.
No.
No.

If the Jewish people cannot trust the everlating covenant God made with the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, then God lied to His chosen people and we Christians have no basis for trusting the covenant God made with us.

 

[Therapon]

Interesting, but I tend to see much more Biblical support for Luke's explanation of the abomination of desolation as Jerusalem being encompassed with armies, which was to be the sign to the believing remnant of Jewish Christians that the end of the Old Testament age with it's Jewish state and Mosaic economy was at hand.

But then I don't tend to put a lot of faith in math, I'm more of a Word person.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

Well, those numbers are impossible to deny! Some theologians have been trying ever since I wrote my first book on the subject bact in 1983, without much success I might add. As a result, Dispensationalism, Preterism and the rest are history! Those numbers absolutely destroy every popular end-time tradition currently in the church!

 

[Pilgrimer]

If the Jewish people cannot trust the everlating covenant God made with the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, then God lied to His chosen people and we Christians have no basis for trusting the covenant God made with us.

The majority of the Jewish people do not understand the covenant God made with their people, for if they did they would understand that it was temporary, preparatory, and prophetic of the New Covenant. Only a remnant of Jews have had enough faith to set aside their Rabbinic doctrines and accept the Gospel of Christ, and only a remnant have been saved, exactly as God showed throughout their history would be the case.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Pilgrimer]

Well, those numbers are impossible to deny! Some theologians have been trying ever since I wrote my first book on the subject bact in 1983, without much success I might add. As a result, Dispensationalism, Preterism and the rest are history! Those numbers absolutely destroy every popular end-time tradition currently in the church!

From an archaeological perspective there isn't any definitive date for when the Dome of the Rock was built or even who built it. Some archaeologists contend that it was in fact originally built as a Jewish place of worship because of the architecture. In point of fact it is not now and has never been used as a mosque. The only mosque on the Temple Mount is the Al Aqsa Mosque, and that is the only place on the Temple Mount where Muslims worship.

So you may be tweaking your numbers to make them fit a basic premise that is faulty to begin with.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Therapon]

From an archaeological perspective there isn't any definitive date for when the Dome of the Rock was built or even who built it. Some archaeologists contend that it was in fact originally built as a Jewish place of worship because of the architecture. In point of fact it is not now and has never been used as a mosque. The only mosque on the Temple Mount is the Al Aqsa Mosque, and that is the only place on the Temple Mount where Muslims worship.

So you may be tweaking your numbers to make them fit a basic premise that is faulty to begin with.

First of all, brother, I am a servant of Jesus so I don't "tweak" numbers.

Secondly, I don't know where you are getting your supposed facts about who and when the Dome of the Rock was built, the doccumentary evidence is voluminous! All agree on who, and on when to within a year or two. It was constructed by Abd el Malik ibn Marwan, the Muslim, between 688 until 691 A.D. Here is one quote that should be easy to find on line . . .

Declaration of the Bishop of Jerusalem

When Khalifah Omar entered Jerusalem in 639AD, he was met at the gates by Bishop Sophronius who ushered him through the city. Seeing the temple mount (then in ruins), Omar declared that he was going to build a memorial to Muhammad on the original site of the temple of God. Sophronius exclaimed in horror. . .

“Verily, this is the Abomination of Desolation as spoken of by Daniel the prophet, and it now stands in the holy place.”

Though Sophronius was an old man of 80 years, Khalifah Omar put him in prison and forced labor, the rigors of which killed him.

Excerpted from Jerry Landay’s, The Dome of the Rock, Newsweek, New York, NY, 1972, p. 18

Somehow, we have managed to forget the truth for which Sophronius gave his life. The Dome of the Rock being the Abomination that maketh Desolate is not new theology. This knowledge has been in the Church for over 1300 years!

 

[Therapon]

The majority of the Jewish people do not understand the covenant God made with their people, for if they did they would understand that it was temporary, preparatory, and prophetic of the New Covenant.

LOL, what does "everlasting" mean to you? It doesn't matter if the Jews remember that covenant or not, God didn't forget it. You better hope our God is a covenant keeping God or we are all on our way to hell. If the blinded Jews, Romans 11:8, can't trust Him, then neither can you.

 

[cfultz3]

LOL, what does "everlasting" mean to you? It doesn't matter if the Jews remember that covenant or not, God didn't forget it. You better hope our God is a covenant keeping God or we are all on our way to hell. If the blinded Jews, Romans 11:8, can't trust Him, then neither can you.

Isn't not said or implied in Revelation where God will return His attention back on Israel?