Can Someone Explain Rev. 12:1-6 to Me?
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Romans 15:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the covenant(promises) made unto the fathers
Daniel 9:27)
Daniel 9:27)
dan 9: 27?
this covenant was not made until
1. After messiah was cut off
2. After the city and sanctuary was destroyed
3. Would be broken by the abomination of desolation in the middle of the week.
I am sorry abiding.. But I can not see how yuo can get dan 9: 27 in here
the covenant which Jesus fulfilled was that all the nations of the earth would be blessed through the seed of abraham..
The prophets and men of the OT who loved God looked at this as more important than even the land covenant made at the same time.. which was not salvic in nature..Yeah the land is great, but what good is it if I will not spend eternity in heaven..
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You havnt even digested what i already gave you. Its not the first time ive given ample evidence
to your questions or points and you never even acknowledge them a bit.
So im too tired to throw down some Joel, Jeremiah, and Zephaniah on ya just to be ignored.
You want it to be world wide cool have it worldwide.
to your questions or points and you never even acknowledge them a bit.
So im too tired to throw down some Joel, Jeremiah, and Zephaniah on ya just to be ignored.
You want it to be world wide cool have it worldwide.
it was a joke to mike, EG.
Daniel 9 is fulfilled.
if i've said it once, i have said it a thousand times
Psalm 50:10
"For every beast of the forest is Mine, The cattle on a thousand hills.
Revelation 20:7
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison
nite bud
love zone
Daniel 9 is fulfilled.
if i've said it once, i have said it a thousand times
Psalm 50:10
"For every beast of the forest is Mine, The cattle on a thousand hills.
Revelation 20:7
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison
nite bud
love zone
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You havnt even digested what i already gave you. Its not the first time ive given ample evidence
to your questions or points and you never even acknowledge them a bit.
So im too tired to throw down some Joel, Jeremiah, and Zephaniah on ya just to be ignored.
You want it to be world wide cool have it worldwide.
to your questions or points and you never even acknowledge them a bit.
So im too tired to throw down some Joel, Jeremiah, and Zephaniah on ya just to be ignored.
You want it to be world wide cool have it worldwide.
and no I don't want it to be worldwide.. as I showed above, it is worldwide
again I ask.. how could the possibility of all human, plan and animal life being destroyed have happened in 70 AD?
ps.. I have acknowledged them in the past..
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it was a joke to mike, EG.
Daniel 9 is fulfilled.
if i've said it once, i have said it a thousand times
Psalm 50:10
"For every beast of the forest is Mine, The cattle on a thousand hills.
Revelation 20:7
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison
nite bud
love zone
Daniel 9 is fulfilled.
if i've said it once, i have said it a thousand times
Psalm 50:10
"For every beast of the forest is Mine, The cattle on a thousand hills.
Revelation 20:7
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison
nite bud
love zone
Night sis! Love ya too you know it!
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Your killing me with this crazy land thing EG. Daniel 9 is about
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Jesus started the 70th week when He started His ministry. I dont have a problem getting anything anywhere.
Thats just how it happened.
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go ahead.. throw them in.. I have already through them in in the past myself
and no I don't want it to be worldwide.. as I showed above, it is worldwide
again I ask.. how could the possibility of all human, plan and animal life being destroyed have happened in 70 AD?
ps.. I have acknowledged them in the past..
and no I don't want it to be worldwide.. as I showed above, it is worldwide
again I ask.. how could the possibility of all human, plan and animal life being destroyed have happened in 70 AD?
ps.. I have acknowledged them in the past..
I just cant do this futurists thingy all the time.....just a little once
in awhile but thats it.
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Sorry bud. but history does not support this theory. Literally to the day from the time the command to restore JERUSALEM until the coming of messiah (his triumphant entry into jerusalem on a donkey) was exactly 69 weeks.. He will killed 7 literal days later..
Jesus was killed at the end of the 69th week. so how could he start in the beggining of the 70th
Not to mention.. if he started at the begining of the 70th week.. the 70 weeks would have ended 4 years after his death,, thus you already have a gap between then and 70 ad when the city and sanctuary was destroyed..
does not fit..
Jesus was killed at the end of the 69th week. so how could he start in the beggining of the 70th
Not to mention.. if he started at the begining of the 70th week.. the 70 weeks would have ended 4 years after his death,, thus you already have a gap between then and 70 ad when the city and sanctuary was destroyed..
does not fit..
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That's not true eternally-grateful. In the years leading up to the Roman/Jewish war the Roman Empire topped on the brink of collapse a number of times. The year 69 A.D. was called the year of the 4 emperors because one emperor would rise to the imperial throne only to be assassinated and another rise up. During these years the city of Rome itself was sacked by the Gauls. There were wars and civil unrest throughout the empire. General Vespasian, who had been sent to Palestine to prosecute the war, actually ceased all military operations in Palestine at one point to see what would happen back in Rome, the empire was teetering on the brink of collapse. Then in the vacuum of power left with the death of another emperor, Vespasians armies elected him emperor and he sailed off the Rome to try to gather up the reins of state and try to stablize the shaky government.
Now this was in the fall of 69 A.D. and the cessation in the war had lulled many Jews into compacency, which is why so many made the annual pilgrimage up to the Jerusalem the following spring. But unknown to them, Vespasian had turned over the prosecution of the war to his son, Titus, and his famous legion from Egypt. So when Titus approached Jerusalem in the spring of 70 A.D. to begin the siege, he was now the "prince" of the Roman Empire, as Daniel had foretold, that "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary."
So it's simply not true that Rome was at peace and there were no wars, the Gauls sacking of Rome and the civil wars and fighting among the Roman armies almost brought down the empire.
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deja vu all over again and again and again
Ive told you about all this before...you never read the posts!
Jesus fulfilled that...Hes sitting right NOW on davids throne...sheesh(read Peters sermon at Pentecost)
get the land out of your eyes...Its about Jesus not land and unregenerate Israel
The promises were NEVER to the children of the flesh. Never!
Theres no holes Jesus confirmed the covenant after He ascended the Jews stayed In Israel
till the 70th week was over. Fulfilled. Then went out to the Gentiles, more fulfillment.
And a 40 year period elapsed before 70ad. I wont go into that...you wont read this anyway.
Ive told you about all this before...you never read the posts!
Jesus fulfilled that...Hes sitting right NOW on davids throne...sheesh(read Peters sermon at Pentecost)
get the land out of your eyes...Its about Jesus not land and unregenerate Israel
The promises were NEVER to the children of the flesh. Never!
Theres no holes Jesus confirmed the covenant after He ascended the Jews stayed In Israel
till the 70th week was over. Fulfilled. Then went out to the Gentiles, more fulfillment.
And a 40 year period elapsed before 70ad. I wont go into that...you wont read this anyway.
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This passage from Daniel is not talking about Jesus fulfilling the Old Covenant, he did that when the New Covenant was instituted at Calvary. This passage of Daniel was about Jesus confirming to the Christian Jews that God had fulfilled his promise of making a New Covenant with them, and he did that by taking away the things God had provided for the observance of the Old Covenant, at exactly the time and in exactly the manner the Law and the Prophets had foretold. That was the confirmation to the Jewish Christians who might have had any lingering doubts that Jesus was indeed the Messiah and the New Covenant had indeed been established, else nothing, not Rome nor all the forces of hell itself could have destroyed God's Temple and Holy City.
And even further, the fact that all these things were accomplished exactly as they had been foretold thousands of years before, and that they were accomplished in the generation of Jesus' coming is proof and confirmation that Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God!
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
And even further, the fact that all these things were accomplished exactly as they had been foretold thousands of years before, and that they were accomplished in the generation of Jesus' coming is proof and confirmation that Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God!
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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Nice history Pilgrimer but you're not mentioning that the Romans took a great number of Jewish rebels as slaves during the Roman-Jewish wars of the first and second century and dispersed them throughout the Roman empire in a Jewish diaspora. This, combined with the destruction of the temple and Hadrian's persecution of Judaism in what he now called Syria Palaestina, is how Rabbinic Judaism became a religion centered around synagogues instead of the temple which was destroyed except for the Western wall and caverns. But it's important to note that a great many Jews remained in the Holy Land. They were in no danger of utter extermination as you are suggesting. So you can't use that to prop up a preterist view.
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Abiding,
While I appreciate you asking a question rather than making an allegation, I'm still not going to give a dissertation on the topic. You'll just have to figure it out. And no I'm not saying that Pilgrimer is a preterist. I was just making a statement is all. Just a little statement. Don't extrapolate.
While I appreciate you asking a question rather than making an allegation, I'm still not going to give a dissertation on the topic. You'll just have to figure it out. And no I'm not saying that Pilgrimer is a preterist. I was just making a statement is all. Just a little statement. Don't extrapolate.
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Yes it talking about the Birth of JESUS CHRISt
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
They went to egypt for a time!
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
That OF COURSE is Jesus
This of course is the fallen angels being kicked out of heaven
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
That is revealing the anti christ that satan dwells in !
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
This is just talking about the 12 tribes of Israel You know the gates of heaven ]New Jerusalem } has 12 gates that are the 12 tribes of Israel ! They are not the people of course !
Salvation is Only of the JEWS! We are all grafted in as jews! Belonging Now to the NEW PRIEST tribe Judah ! It all about Israel ! That why we must be grafted in ! satan been trying to wipe out israel and the jewish race since there beginning! He never will !
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
They went to egypt for a time!
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
That OF COURSE is Jesus
This of course is the fallen angels being kicked out of heaven
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
That is revealing the anti christ that satan dwells in !
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
This is just talking about the 12 tribes of Israel You know the gates of heaven ]New Jerusalem } has 12 gates that are the 12 tribes of Israel ! They are not the people of course !
Salvation is Only of the JEWS! We are all grafted in as jews! Belonging Now to the NEW PRIEST tribe Judah ! It all about Israel ! That why we must be grafted in ! satan been trying to wipe out israel and the jewish race since there beginning! He never will !