The Quran similarity with bible

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Laodicea

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I have read the bible a lot, it was so interesting since there is many similarity with Quran.

if anyone interested to read the Quran, there is a video in youtube.

There is nothing wrong learning the Abrahamic religion.

Our religion is surely from God.
The Quran teaches salvation by works, the Bible teaches salvation by grace through faith.
 
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jonrambo

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Mohummed was a pedophile yo
 
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jonrambo

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The Quran teaches salvation by works, the Bible teaches salvation by grace through faith.
Quaran also teaches its ok to rape while at war and we should kill all jews and non believers. great book

again it was written by a guy with a 6 year old wife

nuffsaid
 

JaumeJ

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Think! The Bible teaches Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is God. He is. God said it, I believe it, and that should settle it. This is from the standpoint of one convinced of the Holy Spirit for faith cannot be held hostage by what is falsely called knowledge. Jesus Christ is Lord; every knee will bow, every tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord, amen. This is written; it is true, and there is no way to deny it.
 

tribesman

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The three versions below confirm that your statement is false. Can you show any proof of your statement?

004.157
ABDLH.YUSUF ALI: That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

MUHD M.W.PICKTHALL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

M.H.SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
Shows how these liars, just like their father satan, the father of lies, are advocating damnable and cursed heresy.

Islam is altogether demonic and satanic in origin.
 
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jonrambo

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amen tribesman!
 

JaumeJ

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Thank you for stating the truth Mr. Tribesman! I believe, at this stage of the game, if anyone were to begin pointing the finger at each group that is satanic, he would wind up with carpal tunnel syndrome. That is what I think. That and a nickel will not buy you a thing, but I threw it out anyway. Post Script, why don't you just change your name to Truthman?
 
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jonrambo

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All majour world religeon bar TRUE christianity can be traced back to ancient babylon
 
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muhamet could only read and write arabic

he listened to Jews and Christians and put togethe the hodge podge that is the Koran from his half baked ideas
Well Muhammad pbuh was illiterate.

Is the big bang a half baked idea ?

Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavehns and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (Qur'an, 21:30)

Also the expanding of the universe was just plucked out of the air lol

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

The idea of clouds until recently is they are floating on air. Just recently it was found a cloud can hold up 300,000 tons of water. How they can remain aloft is truly amazing.

It is He Who sends out the winds, bringing advance news of His mercy, so that when they have lifted up the heavy clouds, We dispatch them to a dead land and send down water to it, by means of which We bring forth all kinds of fruit... (Qur'an, 7:57)

Christians have spent millions on Arabic scholars trying to find contradictions in the Quran. After all that time and money they came up with some lame findings.

A Quranic institute in Hanover spent decades collecting Qurans from all over the world, including the white house. They compared it to the first one and besides some typo mistakes the Qurans were identicals. This Quranic institute unfortunately was bombed by the allies in World War 2.

In the end if your heart is closed to the truth, no matter how obvious the signs are, you will refuse to see it. Some of you may still have time.
 
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Shows how these liars, just like their father satan, the father of lies, are advocating damnable and cursed heresy.

Islam is altogether demonic and satanic in origin.
Are you frothing at the mouth ? lol
 

tribesman

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Jacobs the antichrist Godhater was banned. :D

 
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cfultz3

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The Quran teaches salvation by works, the Bible teaches salvation by grace through faith.
They also teach another god who will have the Christian Jesus at His return killing those who have two gods: that is, we Christians who say that Jesus is the Son of God and is God will be beheaded by that religion's followers.

Remember the method mentioned in Revelation of how the antichrist and his prophet will BEHEAD people?
 

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Qur'an, the Bible and the Torah are all from God

But, in relation to the Bible , it is different,
comparion the copy printing and translation of the Bible recently become different from each other
There is no consensus among the many versions of the Gospel
The question is: Why the difference between the different versions, and what is called?

God bless all
 
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Qur'an, the Bible and the Torah are all from God
The Koran never claims to be divinely inspired...thus, we should not expect that it was...


But, in relation to the Bible , it is different,
comparion the copy printing and translation of the Bible recently become different from each other
There is no consensus among the many versions of the Gospel
The question is: Why the difference between the different versions, and what is called?

God bless all
Which version of the Koran do you read?

Pickthal?

Ali?

Khan?

 
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The three versions below confirm that your statement is false. Can you show any proof of your statement?

004.157
ABDLH.YUSUF ALI: That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

MUHD M.W.PICKTHALL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

M.H.SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316



The correct rendering of this ayah is as thus…




وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول
الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن
الذين اختلفوا فيه لفي شك منه ما لهم به من علم
إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا

Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

4.157 And their saying: "Truly we killed The Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son, “allah's” messenger”, and that they killed him, and that they crucified him, and certainly they alike, and truly whom they differed in Him, certainly they (are) not in doubt from Him, on account of Him, from knowledge, except to follow the belief, and that they surely killed him.


To overcome the Muslim mindset, we need to first define the Arabic word that has been misinterpreted by Islam.

Here is the classic Arabic definition for "ma"...

ما = “ma”

“ma” definition:

Conjunctive pronoun. That; which; that which; whatsoever; what; as; as much; in such a manner as; as much as; as for as; any kind; when; how. Does not, as a rule, refer to reasonable things, but instances to the contrary sometimes occur. It is one of those particles, which, in conditional propositions, govern the verb in the conditional mood; it is frequently a mere expletive. It is also a negative adverb, Not; in general it denies a circumstance either present, or of past, but little remote from the present; it governs the attribute in the accusative, thus it is a negative particle when placed before the perfect as in 53.2; or before a pronoun as in 68.2; or before an demonstrative noun as in 12.31. The particle, when joined to the perfect, denies the past; when joined to the imperfect, the present.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3016
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 2, p. 300
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 523 - 524
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 135 - 136




As we can see below..."ma", when joined to "wa", is simply a filler-word in this ayah...


وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول
الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن
الذين اختلفوا فيه لفي شك منه ما لهم به من علم
إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا

Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

4.157 And their saying: "Certainly we killed The Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son, “allah's” messenger”, and that they killed him, and that they crucified him, and certainly they alike, and truly whom they differed in Him, certainly they (are) not in doubt from Him, on account of Him, from knowledge, except to follow the belief, and that they surely killed him.



As witnessed by the plethora of positives in this ayah, the conditional mood is only positive.

Couple this, to the very next ayah, as thus…



بل رفعه الله إليه وكان الله عزيزا حكيما

Bal rafaAAahu Allahu ilayhi wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman

4.158 But “allah”, he raised Him to him, and “allah” mighty, wise.




4.157 & 4.158 tell us of its most likely Biblical source...


This One given to you by the before-determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you having taken by lawless hands, having crucified Him, you killed Him. But God raised Him up, loosing the throes of death, because it was not possible for Him to be held by it. (Act 2.23 - 24)


As we can see, 4.157 & 4.158 are simply parroting NT material...


Thus, context is clear that in 4.157 “wama” is simply governing the verb in the conditional mood – which is positive….NOT negative.


Further, rendering this Islamic one-hit-wonder ayah as a negative would force other Koranic ayahs into contradiction.



As further evidence that 4.157 confirms Jesus’ death upon the cross, all the Koranic crucifixion instances are shown here, which confirm that the Koran always describes a crucifixion event with complete certainty of death…



• 5.33…they will be crucified till death
• 7.124…I will surely crucify you till death
• 12.41…so will be crucified till death
• 20.71…and I will surely crucify you till death
• 26.49…and I will surely crucify you till death



Death through crucifixion is always mandated in the Koran.

Thus, there is no reason at all to believe that 4.157 would break this trend…
 
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BibleEd

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Yes defintely, the main similarity you will find is the paradise that is brought out in the bible. Muslims also beleive that God is the only true God, the Almighty, who has no equal Deuteronomy 6:4

The thought that the bible was tampered with cannot be true, why? The Almighty God could by no means allow such a thing. The Qur'an declares: " None can change the decrees of Allah" - Surah 6, Al-An;am (Cattle). verse 34. The holy bible makes a similar decleration as follows " the green grass has dried up, the blosson has withered, but as for the word of our God, it will last to time indefinte." Isaiah 40:8.

People have added certain things for example the trinity doctrine which is Johns letter chapter 5 verse 7 the following "In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" - King James Version.These words do not appear on any of the ancient Bible manuscripts. Scholars know however that these words are counterfeit and modern Bible translations omit them.
 
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Yes defintely, the main similarity you will find is the paradise that is brought out in the bible. Muslims also beleive that God is the only true God, the Almighty, who has no equal Deuteronomy 6:4

The thought that the bible was tampered with cannot be true, why? The Almighty God could by no means allow such a thing. The Qur'an declares: " None can change the decrees of Allah" - Surah 6, Al-An;am (Cattle). verse 34. The holy bible makes a similar decleration as follows " the green grass has dried up, the blosson has withered, but as for the word of our God, it will last to time indefinte." Isaiah 40:8.

People have added certain things for example the trinity doctrine which is Johns letter chapter 5 verse 7 the following "In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" - King James Version.These words do not appear on any of the ancient Bible manuscripts. Scholars know however that these words are counterfeit and modern Bible translations omit them.
The Koran was written by early Arab Christians to begin with...thus we find all the same Biblical themes; Heaven, hell, Trinity, Jesus as God, etc, etc...
 
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The Koran was not written by early Arab Christians, I think Mohammed wrote down the words that supposedly Allah said, but really probably picked and chose from the Hebrew Scriptures and the Bible. Secondly, the term Trinity does not exist in the Bible but it is implied and does make sense and was not added. In Koran, the idea of God being a Trinity, does not really exist. At the core of Islam it is non-Trinitarian monotheism, basically that God is God and is not a Trinity. In fact the Bible contains an old psalm that dates a few years before Paul's writings (this is mentioned in the book called The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel). The Koran does not say that Jesus is God as far as I know. First of all human translations or versions of the Bible do have their flaws but that is because they are trying their hardest to make the Bible more readable, memorizable, and more close to the original ancient Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. God bless.