The Trinity

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But anyway, here are all the common translations:

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"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.New Living Translation (©2007)
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "Only God is truly good.
English Standard Version (©2001)
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
"Why do you call Me good?" Jesus asked him. "No one is good but One--God.
International Standard Version (©2012)
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "Nobody is good except for one—God.
NET Bible (©2006)
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good except the one God.”
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And Jesus said unto him, Why call me good? none is good, except one, that is, God.
American King James Version
And Jesus said to him, Why call you me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
American Standard Version
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, even God.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And Jesus said to him: Why dost thou call me good? None is good but God alone.
Darby Bible Translation
But Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, God.
English Revised Version
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, even God.
Webster's Bible Translation
And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God.
Weymouth New Testament
"Why do you call me good?" replied Jesus; "there is no one good but One, namely God.
World English Bible
Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one--God.
Young's Literal Translation
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Jesus is saying to the man 'I'm not what you call me. Don't see me that way. ONLY GOD IS THAT WAY'

Why do you call ME (Jesus) Good. Only GOD (Not Jesus) is Good.
Are you saying sinless Jesus is not Good?
 
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Καὶ (and, moreover, even, indeed) ἐπηρώτησεν (questioned, asked, interrogated, demanded, enquired, (more likely to be 'asked toward') τις (a, one, a certain) αὐτὸν (to Him, toward Him, of Him) ἄρχων (leader, ruler, prince, an influential) λέγων (saying, speaking, bringing forth, or 'out') διδάσκαλε (master, teacher, instructor) ἀγαθέ (of great goodness, wholly good, truly good), τί (what, which things) ποιήσας (having done/accomplished, made, manufactured or instructed, acted in, caused) ζωὴν (life (of God)) αἰώνιον (in fullness, ageless, age-long, of complete quality) κληρονομήσω (Will I inherit/obtain/possess, have by inheritance, acquire or have allotted );


'And a certain leader questioned of Jesus 'Great teacher, which things would I need do, in order to obtain ageless life?'
 
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Reckon these verses, guys


"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."
"I and the Father and one."
 
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By Greennice: Reckon these verses, guys


"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."

Jesus does the WILL of the father who sent him. So seeing Jesus is seeing what we need see of God.

"I and the Father and one."

From Paul; The one who plants and the one who waters are one, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. For we are co-workers in God's service; you are our reward, God's building.

He's talking about himself and apollo here. Two people working with the same purpose. They aren't ONE, literally. But they both work towards a common goal with common sights.




That's what I think of it all.
 
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Καὶ (and, moreover, even, indeed) ἐπηρώτησεν (questioned, asked, interrogated, demanded, enquired, (more likely to be 'asked toward') τις (a, one, a certain) αὐτὸν (to Him, toward Him, of Him) ἄρχων (leader, ruler, prince, an influential) λέγων (saying, speaking, bringing forth, or 'out') διδάσκαλε (master, teacher, instructor) ἀγαθέ (of great goodness, wholly good, truly good), τί (what, which things) ποιήσας (having done/accomplished, made, manufactured or instructed, acted in, caused) ζωὴν (life (of God)) αἰώνιον (in fullness, ageless, age-long, of complete quality) κληρονομήσω (Will I inherit/obtain/possess, have by inheritance, acquire or have allotted );


'And a certain leader questioned of Jesus 'Great teacher, which things would I need do, in order to obtain ageless life?'
Where does Jesus say in the Greek...'I am not God'...?

 
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Isaiah 48:16 is pretty close. The Trinity to me fall in the catagory of John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of heavenly things?
 

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You have to understand the difference between 'kalos' and 'agathon'.

Then you'll answer your own question.
Luk 18:18 AndG2532 a certainG5100 rulerG758 askedG1905 him,G846 saying,G3004 GoodG18 Master,G1320 whatG5101 shall I doG4160 to inheritG2816 eternalG166 life?G2222

Luk 18:19 AndG1161 JesusG2424 saidG2036 unto him,G846 WhyG5101 callestG3004 thou meG3165 good?G18 noneG3762 is good,G18 saveG1508 one,G1520 that is, God.G2316

1Ti 4:4 ForG3754 everyG3956 creatureG2938 of GodG2316 is good,G2570 andG2532 nothingG3762 to be refused,G579 if it be receivedG2983 withG3326 thanksgiving:G2169

Jesus isn't a creature.
kalos
kal-os'
Of uncertain affinity; properly beautiful, but chiefly (figuratively) good (literally or morally), that is, valuable or virtuous (for appearance or use, and thus distinguished from G18, which is properly intrinsic): - X better, fair, good (-ly), honest, meet, well, worthy.
 

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By Greennice: Reckon these verses, guys


"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."

Jesus does the WILL of the father who sent him. So seeing Jesus is seeing what we need see of God.

"I and the Father and one."

From Paul; The one who plants and the one who waters are one, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. For we are co-workers in God's service; you are our reward, God's building.

He's talking about himself and apollo here. Two people working with the same purpose. They aren't ONE, literally. But they both work towards a common goal with common sights.


That's what I think of it all.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one - If Jesus Christ were not God, how could he have said these words without being guilty of blasphemy?

ADDED If Jesus and God are one, the trinity is gone.
 
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PS buddy, he didn't have to say it, Jesus said it himself.
Luke 18:19
Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

Pray to seek God's good understanding of why Jesus said this and what it means. It was in no way diminishing his authority and who he is, but theres something to it people could realize which helps tie a lot of things together of what Christ did and the reasons why certain things had to happen the way they did according to Gods perfect plan.
God bless :)

Are you saying sinless Jesus is not Good?
 
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Where does Jesus say in the Greek...'I am not God'...?

Dead horse mate. Dead horse.
^^^ False teaching, then ? ^^^

By Greennice: Reckon these verses, guys


"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."

Jesus does the WILL of the father who sent him. So seeing Jesus is seeing what we need see of God.

"I and the Father and one."

From Paul; The one who plants and the one who waters are one, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. For we are co-workers in God's service; you are our reward, God's building.

He's talking about himself and apollo here. Two people working with the same purpose. They aren't ONE, literally. But they both work towards a common goal with common sights.




That's what I think of it all.
Paul and apollos and Cephas, 'are one' in serving the Lord, not 'one' as in the same people, as in, 1=2 . <---This is what you mean to say?

Why is 'Helper' capitalized, for the Holy Spirit coming to 'comfort' those who no longer will be with Jesus in person, who is going to sit at 'His right hand.'

Why is 'His' in SCripture both reference 'Jesus' and 'God,' like, for instance, 'His sheep know His voice,' and, the words above, let's use, Jesus when He ascends goes to sit at 'His' right hand, which, in this case, 'His'=God ?
 
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PS buddy, he didn't have to say it, Jesus said it himself.
Luke 18:19
Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

Pray to seek God's good understanding of why Jesus said this and what it means. It was in no way diminishing his authority and who he is, but theres something to it people could realize which helps tie a lot of things together of what Christ did and the reasons why certain things had to happen the way they did according to Gods perfect plan.
God bless :)
Jesus on earth was sinless, but Jesus was fully man and fully God, Scripture tells us, too.
There is NO good man, nope, not a one of us, good. (Romans 3)

Now, when one talks about sin, ahhh, that is a completely different story, for Jesus was a man without sin and that is because why??????

Because He is God :)
 

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PS buddy, he didn't have to say it, Jesus said it himself.
Luke 18:19
Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

Pray to seek God's good understanding of why Jesus said this and what it means. It was in no way diminishing his authority and who he is, but theres something to it people could realize which helps tie a lot of things together of what Christ did and the reasons why certain things had to happen the way they did according to Gods perfect plan.
God bless :)

I explained it earlier from the summarized Bible, Jesus did not say he was not good, he was saying "God is Good." It was a leading question and you need to work it out. It also means that Jesus and God are One.


"Mar_10:18. Jesus’ object was not to infer that He was not good, for the Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus is Good above all men, but to raise the man’s view of His person. The ruler had called Him “Master” (teacher) and looked upon Him merely as a great man, on the same plane with himself. Jesus was God, but until His divinity was acknowledged He could not accept the title “good.”
 
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^^^ False teaching, then ? ^^^



Paul and apollos and Cephas, 'are one' in serving the Lord, not 'one' as in the same people, as in, 1=2 . <---This is what you mean to say?

Why is 'Helper' capitalized, for the Holy Spirit coming to 'comfort' those who no longer will be with Jesus in person, who is going to sit at 'His right hand.'

Why is 'His' in SCripture both reference 'Jesus' and 'God,' like, for instance, 'His sheep know His voice,' and, the words above, let's use, Jesus when He ascends goes to sit at 'His' right hand, which, in this case, 'His'=God ?
Ok, my bad, bad example, 'His' is not what Scripture says for Jesus, just for the 'gatekeeper,' who the sheep follow. Scripture is so complex !!!!! :) The 'His' should be a 'My' for 'My sheep' and I have yet to compare a 'My' for God, too, so, the two 'possessives' can speak as both 'Jesus' referenced' and 'God.' :)
 

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Jesus on earth was sinless, but Jesus was fully man and fully God, Scripture tells us, too.
There is NO good man, nope, not a one of us, good. (Romans 3)

Now, when one talks about sin, ahhh, that is a completely different story, for Jesus was a man without sin and that is because why??????

Because He is God :)
That is the message Jesus wanted to get across to the ruler. Thank you. :)
 
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Jesus on earth was sinless, but Jesus was fully man and fully God, Scripture tells us, too.
There is NO good man, nope, not a one of us, good. (Romans 3)

Now, when one talks about sin, ahhh, that is a completely different story, for Jesus was a man without sin and that is because why??????

Because He is God :)
I explained it earlier from the summarized Bible, Jesus did not say he was not good, he was saying "God is Good." It was a leading question and you need to work it out. It also means that Jesus and God are One.


"Mar_10:18. Jesus’ object was not to infer that He was not good, for the Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus is Good above all men, but to raise the man’s view of His person. The ruler had called Him “Master” (teacher) and looked upon Him merely as a great man, on the same plane with himself. Jesus was God, but until His divinity was acknowledged He could not accept the title “good.”
psIloveHim, he says this very well, in truth. It is important to take Scripture at face value, I always try to, anyway, and, the Lord leads me, this I hope and pray. There is reason to believe that God is not Jesus, I USED to believe it, but the overwhelming reality just overcame me and seeing that they are one, that you have seen one, you have seen the other, that Jesus is doing the will of His Father, which CAN only be done IF Jesus is fully man and fully God.

The easiest way I see to explain things is that Jesus is The Way, He is showing us who God is, and, He is God, as, God could NOT be seen. He would have contradicted Himself IF He became onto Earth and walked with man, so, He made Himself into exactly how man could understand Jesus being Him, by a Holy Spirit seed of Himself sent to Earth, which became a human birthed Child. :)
 
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Reckon these verses, guys


"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."
"I and the Father and one."
*I and the Father are one.

The trying to say that they are just two different persons, who one follows after the other's ways is VERY hard to reckon for me, truthfully. I've tried, I see where mesh and bow both ARE coming from (been there, done that ) , but, to REALLY sink your teeth into those words makes one realize that there is SOMETHING unnatural going on and to reckon the 'are' word is the hardest of all.

If the verse said, "I and the Father are LIKE one." Wow ! That would make it simpler, for certain, right. But, that is NOT what Scripture says. Therefore, we MUST like Scripture how it is written, not how we ARE wanting it written.

Then, seeing the Father is seeing Jesus, is WHAT Jesus tells us. So........ Again, we are talking about seeing a GOD seeing a God !!!! Two Gods. Yet...... What does Scripture say? There is ONLY ONE God, and, God is He. Worship the Lord GOD (singular) with all your heart, mind, soul' is what Scripture says, right, I got that one right, I hope, pray :)

My green brains get the best of me sometimes, and, with that said, God is who He says He is, right, He is God of everyone and everything, 'God is all and all.' ONE God, this SCripture here <=== I think, is in 1 Cor. , but it is in His Word.

God is NOT an author of confusion, right, too. He will not say things to confuse, and, IF you are worshipping God and Jesus seperately, when Jesus is The Way, how does one reckon doing that? Again, subtle double meaning, but 'I AM,' you remember from Exodus, when Moses asks God who it is we say sent You , and, God answers for Moses to tell Pharoah, "I AM.' Then, Jesus says, 'I am the way, the truth, and, the life, no man comes to the Father but by Me.'

It really can sound confusing, but, rest assured, God WANTS you ONLY worshippping ONE GOD and He be Him :)

Anyway, just speaking my thoughts here :)
 
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But anyway, here are all the common translations:

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[TD="class: btext, colspan: 2"]New International Version (©2011)
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.New Living Translation (©2007)
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "Only God is truly good.
English Standard Version (©2001)
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
"Why do you call Me good?" Jesus asked him. "No one is good but One--God.
International Standard Version (©2012)
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked him. "Nobody is good except for one—God.
NET Bible (©2006)
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good except the one God.”
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And Jesus said unto him, Why call me good? none is good, except one, that is, God.
American King James Version
And Jesus said to him, Why call you me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
American Standard Version
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, even God.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And Jesus said to him: Why dost thou call me good? None is good but God alone.
Darby Bible Translation
But Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, God.
English Revised Version
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, even God.
Webster's Bible Translation
And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God.
Weymouth New Testament
"Why do you call me good?" replied Jesus; "there is no one good but One, namely God.
World English Bible
Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one--God.
Young's Literal Translation
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Jesus is saying to the man 'I'm not what you call me. Don't see me that way. ONLY GOD IS THAT WAY'

Why do you call ME (Jesus) Good. Only GOD (Not Jesus) is Good.
Why do you call Me (Jesus) Good. Only GOD ( JESUS) is Good.
Jesus is not denying Himself to be God but He wanted to see if the rich man had recognized Him to be God.
This is why He said: 'why do you call Me Good. Only God is good.'
If He wasn't good, He wouldn't declared that whom has seen Me (JESUS), has seen the Father (GOD). It would be a complete blasphemy. This is why the Jews tried to killed Him because He declared that He is God.
You see. Jesus is God.
There is only one God and His name is the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Father is God in the function of a creator;
The Son of God is God as a creation;
The Holy Spirit is God in the form of a Spirit.
These are the 3 function of the only one and unique God.