Sovereignty of God and Moral Responsibility of Man

[mark54]

Mark,

One other thing we better have it right about who Jesus is,because our salvation depends upon it. Anything off of what the Bible tells us will give us a false Christ. Period. When we talk to many claiming to be Christian we better know how they are defining the words they are saying. What are they saying about Jesus,what do they mean by the resurrection? What do they really mean by saying He is the Son of God? Just because one says those words does not mean they believe the very same thing. There are Hindus that believe in Jesus but they don't believe in the same Jesus. Most of us never ever take the time to get the clarification of the terms that others are using and we think they are saying thing when in reality they are NOT. Just because one says they believe in Jesus does not mean they believe the same thing.

Jesus is the son of the one true God. That is who he said he was, he said only the Father is the one true God. I repeat, the Holy Spirit is the key, and the difference in this, . But so many of you on these websites seem unablre to recognise this. You think it is a theological exercise, it most definately is not
What you are really saying is(though of course you won't actually admit it) you know better than Christ. He asked no more than people believe he is the Son of God. If that is not acceptable to you, I suggest you take it before God in prayer
For if you make demands that contradict the words of Christ when he walked this earth unto salvation, you will, one day have to answer for them, of that I can assure you

 

[zone]

The difference is the Holy Spirit. and He does not contradict the requirement of belief Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be to inherit eternal life
It is not a theological exercise of the little grey cells that guarentees salvation. Unflrtunately many on websites like these seem to believe it is.
Can I ask you?
Who gives a person authority to refuse to accept the requirement of belief Christ himself laid down unto salvation?
Stop following theologians and scholars and make the plain words of the bible your bottom line

"The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist, but was created by—and is therefore distinct from—God the Father".

"Socinianism is a system of Christian doctrine named for Fausto Sozzini (Latin: Faustus Socinus), which was developed among the Polish Brethren in the Minor Reformed Church of Poland during the 15th and 16th centuries[1] and embraced also by the Unitarian Church of Transylvania during the same period.[2] It is most famous for its Nontrinitarian Christology but contains a number of other unorthodox beliefs as well."
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[mark54]

Sadly some of you people do not understand the basics of the Christian faith
You make demands on the internet your ministers won't make from the pulpit(or hardly any would) Thereby in effect saying they can't do their jobs properly for anyone knows a minister is obligated to preach any salvational belief plainly and clearly from the pulpit
You have to make the denouncements and deflections you do, for there is no scripture that states a person must believe Jesus is the one terue God to inherit etrernal life . But plenty of scripture to back up what I belief and know.
Neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James John, nor nearly all the trinitarian ministers from the pulpit, nor well over 90% of their congregations make the demands unto salvation the spiritually immmature do from internet websites

You people want tol ask yourself why they don't/didn't and WHY Christ asked people to believe he was the son of God, not God himself to inherit eternal life
But you cannot can you, for you are lost in yuor world of head theology, head theology that contradicts the plain words of Christ unto salvation.

It is hopeless, you think yourselves so wise in your own eyes, but your spiritual immaturity shines through

If you were led by the Holy Spirit over this and not the theoligical mind/scholars and theologians you would not make the pronouncements you do

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sadly some of you people do not understand the basics of the Christian faith
You make demands on the internet your ministers won't make from the pulpit(or hardly any would) Thereby in effect saying they can't do their jobs properly for anyone knows a minister is obligated to preach any salvational belief plainly and clearly from the pulpit
You have to make the denouncements and deflections you do, for there is no scripture that states a person must believe Jesus is the one terue God to inherit salvation. But plenty of scripture to back up what I belief and know.
Neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James John, nor nearly all the trinitarian ministers from the pulpit, nor well over 90% of their congregations make the demands unto salvation the spiritually immmature do from internet websites

You people want tol ask yourself why they don't/didn't and WHY Christ asked people to believe he was the son of God, not God himself to inherit eternal life
But you cannot can you, for you are lost in yuor world of head theology, head theology that contradicts the plain words of Christ unto salvation.

It is hopeless, you think yourselves so wise in your own eyes, but your spiritual immaturity shines through

question. Do you believe Jesus is the "Son of God"?

and what does this mean?

 

[mark54]

question. Do you believe Jesus is the "Son of God"?

and what does this mean?

Why not address the post EG, and the points raised, then I will happily answer your questions

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why not address the post EG, and the points raised, then I will happily answer your question

I was answering the post.

who is condemned? but those who do not believe in the name of the only begotten son of god..

John said he wrote his book so we might believe in christ, the son of God.

are you saying we can be saved and not believe Jesus was the son of God?

 

[mark54]

I was answering the post.

who is condemned? but those who do not believe in the name of the only begotten son of god..

John said he wrote his book so we might believe in christ, the son of God.

are you saying we can be saved and not believe Jesus was the son of God?

Arte you seriously asking that question EG? Frankly I di not expect you to ask that after all the scripture I have brought forth on this subject.

A person must believe Jesus is the son of God as I have countless times stated and you should know. For that is who Christ and John plainly stated we must believe Christ to be. Would you please now address the points I made in the post you responded to if you want to pursue this further
Thanks

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Arte you seriously asking that question EG? Frankly I di not expect you to ask that after all the scripture I have brought forth on this subject.

A person must believe Jesus is the son of God as I have countless times stated and you should know. For that is who Christ and John plainly stated we must believe Christ to be. Would you please now address the points I made in the post you responded to if you want to pursue this further
Thanks

1. I do not believe you are not saved.. thus I have no reason to address those points.
2. I am asking a simple question. what does the term son of God mean.. I am not trying to trick you

 

[cfultz3]

sigh.

don't you know truth when you hear it?

There is a difference. A Christian can believe a lie being told, yet his faith in Christ is what saves him.

Someone can believe that Christ died for a select few = a false believe

I am persuaded that Jesus is the Son sent from God and everything that speaks of = a saving faith

One can even believe they can speak mockery, slander, belittlement, distaste, disharmony and still yet believe their faith shall save them.

 

[mark54]

1. I do not believe you are not saved.. thus I have no reason to address those points.
2. I am asking a simple question. what does the term son of God mean.. I am not trying to trick you

I can oinly assume then you agree with my points in the post raised, as you have not brought hardly any of them to my attention, or therefore queried them.
, I am heartened by this
Christ is the only begotten Son of God, completely Holy he died for our sins, there is no way to the Father but by the son, Christ is a true reflection of the person of the Father, the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ, he reigns nowe ib Heaven and on earth for all things have been put under his feet by the Father
I hgope that is enough of an explanation EG

And in line with biblical theology I believe Christ to be the person he requires us to believe he is to inherit eternal ife.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I can oinly assume then you agree with my points in the post raised, as you have not brought hardly any of them to my attention.

Christ is the only truly beogtten Son of God, completely Holy he died for our sins, there is no way to the Father but by the son, Christ is a true reflection of the poerson of the Father, the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ
I hgope that is enough ofd an explanation EG

And in line with biblical theology I believe 9Christ to be the person he requires us rto believe he is to inherit ewternall ife.

no, still did not answer. but I will leave it. as it is off topic for this thread. thanks anyway

 

[mark54]

no, still did not answer. but I will leave it. as it is off topic for this thread. thanks anyway

Lol
I didn't answer, what have you responded to orf what I wrote? Nothing that I can see, and I believ e I did fully answer your question

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol
I dicn to answer, what have you responded to orf what I wrote? Nothing that I can see, and I believ e I did fully answer your question

I just asked ya a question bro.. I quoted your response so you knew I was talking to you..

 

[mark54]

I just asked ya a question bro.. I quoted your response so you knew I was talking to you..

And I answered your question, yet you have not said which of the points in my post you originally responded to you agreed or disagreed with
Sorry, but it seems same old to me, ask questions, but avoid answernig anything in the post put that you responded to

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[cfultz3]

Romans 8
6For to set the mind on the flesh is death,

If you set your mind on the your flesh, that is death. You are to die to the flesh

but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.

If you set your mind on your spirit, that is life and peace. You are to become alive to the spirit.

7For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law;

So it is best to die to the flesh and follow God from the spirit, seeing that the one who is lead by the Spirit, tends to the things of the Spirit. But if one tries to follow God by the flesh, then he is not able to submit to God's law, seeing that the flesh is hostile to God.

indeed, it cannot. 8Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Truth is spoken when it is said that we cannot serve two masters. Let us follow God with our spirit and not our flesh.

9You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

How straight forwards can this be: the one without the Spirit of God spiritually guiding him is no son of God. They who belong to Him are not in the flesh, but are in the spirit so that they can tend to the things the Spirit will have us to tend to.

how straight forward can that be, i wonder?

I have wondered this myself. But they who are led of the Spirit are mocked.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And I answered your question, yet you have not said which of the points in my post you originally responded to you agreed or disagreed with
Sorry, but it seems same old to me, ask questions, but avoid answernig anything in the post put that you responded to

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I asked a simple question.. what does the word "son of God mean"

I know you believe he is the son of God. because you said this.

Jesus is the son of the one true God. That is who he said he was

which as I look back to it. that was what I was responding too. I hit the reply on the wrong post. sorry. ..

 

[mark54]

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which as I look back to it. that was what I was responding too. I hit the reply on the wrong post. sorry. ..

No problem EG

 

[cfultz3]

Arte you seriously asking that question EG? Frankly I di not expect you to ask that after all the scripture I have brought forth on this subject.

A person must believe Jesus is the son of God as I have countless times stated and you should know. For that is who Christ and John plainly stated we must believe Christ to be. Would you please now address the points I made in the post you responded to if you want to pursue this further
Thanks

Mark,
EG was simply pointing out to those accusing you that it is the believe in Christ which saves.

 

[mark54]

Mark,
EG was simply pointing out to those accusing you that it is the believe in Christ which saves.

If that is true I happily apologise to him, but as I have spent much time on websites where I am asked questions, but my own are not rersponded to, it is natural(though not correct) for me to wonder if the same thing is happening again, especially due to the mistake of EG thinking I had not responded to his question when I had

I apologise to you EG.

And you are of course right Cfultz, the belief in Christ saves, not a title that is not asked for or demanded in scripture

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If that is true I happily apologise to him, but as I have spent much time on websites where I am asked questions, but my own are not rersponded to, it is natural(though not correct) for me to wonder if the same thing is happening again, especially due to the mistake of EG thinking I had not responded to his question when I had

I apologise to you EG.

And you are of course right Cfultz, the belief in Christ saves, not a title that is not asked for or demanded in scripture

lol mark. You did not answer me.. If you did, Maybe I did not see it. I was not trying to argue with you. or counter your post. just trying to get you to explain what it means to be called the son of God is all..

we are called "sons of God" but this is not the same as the term applied to Christ. I can not be saved by believing in any son of God by the only begotten one. I was just wondering what you thought that meant.