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Agreed, that shows a wealth of wisdom 
Also, hope for those who may judge themselves too far gone to be forgiven a reminder to all the Messiah said:
Matthew 12
Just to mention the passage in Romans 1, there seems to be a specific problem, early in life, with rejecting certain aspects of creation in relationship to the Creator as in verses 20-23. Because of this God gives them over to it. The power to operate as God created them male and female, the man for the woman and the woman for the man, was taken from them being given over to uncleanness through the lust of their own heart to dishonor their bodies between themselves in verse 24. They then worshiped the creature more than the Creator, so God gave them over to vile affections in verses 25,26, which involved both men and women in verse 27. They rejected the knowledge of God's word in verse 28, so God gave them over to a reprobate mind leading them into what we see described in verses 29-32. God does not seem to lump them with other forms of sin having to do with the flesh but puts them in their own category with great detail as to the how they think, how they behave and conduct their manner of living.
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I understand.
It's just that others may not, as well some may take it to think
" well see people have been doing that stuff for years and look Jesus didn't even do anything to that one lady."
Just as I have seen some people also use the example of Lot and his daughters to incorrectly interpret an excuse for incestual relations.
Didn't mean to make you feel I was attacking you in any way
May I also add to your quoted scripture. That while sin may be forgiven unto men
1 Cor 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
It's just that others may not, as well some may take it to think
" well see people have been doing that stuff for years and look Jesus didn't even do anything to that one lady."
Just as I have seen some people also use the example of Lot and his daughters to incorrectly interpret an excuse for incestual relations.
Didn't mean to make you feel I was attacking you in any way
May I also add to your quoted scripture. That while sin may be forgiven unto men
1 Cor 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
cant we just all conclude
I) Homosexuality is a SIN that GOD can heal, so whether you choose to believe it or not, whether science says we are born that way or not(your choice to believe in GOD or not), i for once know a couple people who have been troubled by this sin and have been delivered from it, and some being in SEVERE cases.. so if it is a sin, sin being able to take people to hell, we should look at the hope that CHRIST came to destroy the works of the evil one. and live as conquerors.
That is the truth, these arguments can lead to sin.
well aint gona post here anymore.
God bless you all, and help anyone that is being troubled by this
I) Homosexuality is a SIN that GOD can heal, so whether you choose to believe it or not, whether science says we are born that way or not(your choice to believe in GOD or not), i for once know a couple people who have been troubled by this sin and have been delivered from it, and some being in SEVERE cases.. so if it is a sin, sin being able to take people to hell, we should look at the hope that CHRIST came to destroy the works of the evil one. and live as conquerors.
That is the truth, these arguments can lead to sin.
well aint gona post here anymore.
God bless you all, and help anyone that is being troubled by this
The first two scripture references work but I take issue with most people's translation of the third.
For me it's more an account of the genesis and how God speaks to man through spoken word, and through the example of Jesus.
Always debatable, but it makes a million times more sense to me in the way that I read it before I'd ever heard of 'trinity'.
For me it's more an account of the genesis and how God speaks to man through spoken word, and through the example of Jesus.
Always debatable, but it makes a million times more sense to me in the way that I read it before I'd ever heard of 'trinity'.
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Your husband's logic is faulty. True, we are all born in sin, because we are all sons (and daughters) of Adam. In principle we all share in that hereditary sin; it's like a general human condition. However, that sin isn't specified any way, it's the same for all of us. Therefore you cannot say that being born gay can be a part of that original sin. For that to be true, all human beings would have to be born gay in some way.
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The difference between iniquity and infirmities are:iniquities are wicked weakness' acomplete missing of the mark by choice (commission) devoid of spiritual: life,light and or Agape which requires a change of mind (Repentance),will, affectionsand emotions involved in the sin, infirmities are weakness that are not necessarily from a direct sinand maybe from a physical or mental omission(absence) which requires a medical response or a miracle from the Lord toreplenish that which is missing i.e. physical healing or creative miracle whatwas or is missing in the body or soul(mind). Sin opens the door of our soul andspirit effecting our hearts soul and to a generational effect on bodies(genesis 4:7).
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Makes as much sense as being born a pedophile, or necrophiliac, or with a sexual attraction to animals.
Paul tells us that homosexuality is a punishment from God Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."
My daughter is a lesbian. She was raised in a Christian home, Knows there is a God, but now denies Him and says the Bible is "BS", written by men to control others. She is not thankful, is vain in her imaginations, and her foolish heart has been darkened
Romans 1:26 & 27
"26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [SUP]27[/SUP] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
Paul tells us that homosexuality is a punishment from God Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."
My daughter is a lesbian. She was raised in a Christian home, Knows there is a God, but now denies Him and says the Bible is "BS", written by men to control others. She is not thankful, is vain in her imaginations, and her foolish heart has been darkened
Romans 1:26 & 27
"26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [SUP]27[/SUP] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
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My son asked me all the time if I believed God created gays. I told him over and over that God created man and women. How could He create something that goes against His creation. My son finally told me he was gay and insists that God created him that way. I tell him he choose this lifestyle and he gets mad at me and we debate all the time. So now we agree to disagree. He is angry with god because he wants to be gay and go to heaven. I feel so bad for him and worry about the choices he makes. I just continue to pray for him and will never stop.Some people don't wanna take responsability for their actions.
The Bible is full of sex-education.... If we teach what the Bible teach it is CLEAR.... Every girl that had sex before marriage should not get a husband.
The Bible teaches, that if a father give out a daughter as a virgin and she is not... The husband has certain rights, and one is to humiliate the famly of the leing father and daughter. The Bible teaches that if you marry your VIRGIN... etc. The Bible teaches... if two people burn for eacother... MARRY!
There is no BEFORE maariage sex-education in the Bible! So it is not from God and there is NO USE to teach children how to sin SAFELY. Safe sex before marriage is SIN... ALL sin will bring death. Repent and be baptized. If a young person practices out of wed sex, he or she should REPENT. If he or she does not, it would be sin unto death.
God is so adiment about UNGODLY sex, and ALL sex outside God's guidelines are UNGODLY sex. God said.. If I am married and I just lust in my heart for another woman, I already committed adultery (ungodly sex). SINNED, and I need to repent! So you see, i do not even need to perform the act, just imagining it is already a sin.
There Batman, you just had a WHOLE sex-education from God's Word. As any sin, God gives us do's and dont's, it is up to us to choose. Few people were more addicted to ungodly sex than me. God CAN remove ANY sin from ANY repenting heart! He is the KING of SETTING FREE, MAKING FREE, SHARING VICTORY!
All the gays, fornicators, adulterers, and UNGODLY sex participators, HEAR THIS.... REPENT, Go to GOD and ASK for forgiveness, AND HE SHALL FORGIVE YOU< AND CLEANSE YOU FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. HE WILL MAKE YOU A VICTORER over ALL SIN! He LOVES saving lost souls to be ONE WITH HIM. AMEN!
The Bible teaches, that if a father give out a daughter as a virgin and she is not... The husband has certain rights, and one is to humiliate the famly of the leing father and daughter. The Bible teaches that if you marry your VIRGIN... etc. The Bible teaches... if two people burn for eacother... MARRY!
There is no BEFORE maariage sex-education in the Bible! So it is not from God and there is NO USE to teach children how to sin SAFELY. Safe sex before marriage is SIN... ALL sin will bring death. Repent and be baptized. If a young person practices out of wed sex, he or she should REPENT. If he or she does not, it would be sin unto death.
God is so adiment about UNGODLY sex, and ALL sex outside God's guidelines are UNGODLY sex. God said.. If I am married and I just lust in my heart for another woman, I already committed adultery (ungodly sex). SINNED, and I need to repent! So you see, i do not even need to perform the act, just imagining it is already a sin.
There Batman, you just had a WHOLE sex-education from God's Word. As any sin, God gives us do's and dont's, it is up to us to choose. Few people were more addicted to ungodly sex than me. God CAN remove ANY sin from ANY repenting heart! He is the KING of SETTING FREE, MAKING FREE, SHARING VICTORY!
All the gays, fornicators, adulterers, and UNGODLY sex participators, HEAR THIS.... REPENT, Go to GOD and ASK for forgiveness, AND HE SHALL FORGIVE YOU< AND CLEANSE YOU FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. HE WILL MAKE YOU A VICTORER over ALL SIN! He LOVES saving lost souls to be ONE WITH HIM. AMEN!
That does make sense.
If everyone is 'accursed in disobedience so that He may have mercy on all', then being gay is no worse or better than the state which everyone lives in, because 'all fall short of the glory of God'.
We all commit sins, whether we mean to, or whether we try magnificently hard not to. Paul says 'I partake of that which I KNOW I should not do'. And We all do it. So for the gay person to be picked on, prodded and made example of, is basically like saying 'my sins aren't as bad as theirs', or even worse; 'I don't sin'.
'If we should say; 'we do not have sin', ourselves we deceive, and the truth is not in us'.
If everyone is 'accursed in disobedience so that He may have mercy on all', then being gay is no worse or better than the state which everyone lives in, because 'all fall short of the glory of God'.
We all commit sins, whether we mean to, or whether we try magnificently hard not to. Paul says 'I partake of that which I KNOW I should not do'. And We all do it. So for the gay person to be picked on, prodded and made example of, is basically like saying 'my sins aren't as bad as theirs', or even worse; 'I don't sin'.
'If we should say; 'we do not have sin', ourselves we deceive, and the truth is not in us'.