Modern Dreams/Visions/Prophecy/Revelation Movement Over Complicates Everything (IMO)

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1still_waters

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What if it is not something new as far as scriptural revelation goes but let's say a dream or a vision to a Muslim who has no access to Scripture which (the dream/vision) reveals Christ to him?
That is certainly much different than a buncha Christians sittin around waitin for a dream, who probably have five copies of the Bible in their own house.
 

Katy-follower

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if we are really new creatures....really new hearts and renewed minds and thoughts on all things Christian - sooner or later somebody is going to say something that speaks to your scene.

particularly Biblical sermons. that's exactly how it works.
I understand this, but in my experience I had prayed asking a question and I got the answer the next day when I turned on the tv at a specific time.

Has God not spoken to you through other people? Have you ever had someone walk up to you and say something that gave you shivers because it was an answer to prayer?

We all have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, and lets not limit how God works through us.

If you don't believe in dreams and visions then fair enough, but don't judge how God may speak to a person, saying that is is false and the person is imagining these things.
 

Katy-follower

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if you are married, you know you and your husband finish each others sentences and know each others thoughts.
same with the Bride and her Love.
Just like you communicate with your husband, so does God communicate with us. He speaks to us in different ways.
 

Elizabeth619

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I understand this, but in my experience I had prayed asking a question and I got the answer the next day when I turned on the tv at a specific time.

Has God not spoken to you through other people? Have you ever had someone walk up to you and say something that gave you shivers because it was an answer to prayer?

We all have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, and lets not limit how God works through us.

If you don't believe in dreams and visions then fair enough, but don't judge how God may speak to a person, saying that is is false and the person is imagining these things.
Can you give me scripture to where is tells us how to interpret dreams?
 
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Abiding

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to go into a closet and pray in secret then leave the closet and be answered openly
is nothing surprising. And is not the same as a dream. Its simply an answer to prayer
and not at all validating dreams.
 

zone

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Just like you communicate with your husband, so does God communicate with us. He speaks to us in different ways.
i understood my husband.
all the time.
we knew each other from constant companionship and what we had in common.
we knew each other intimately.
face to face.

if my husband was away, he wrote letters.
the same understanding was in the letters.

if i did not know him, his letters would have revealed him to me.
getting to know him face to face took a long time.

God has revealed Himself in His Word, which is active and living. that's how we get to know Him.
the Spirit in us is working.
we communicate as christians.

the same with my husband.
i knew him. because i had gotten to know him.
i didn't have to ask what he meant when he spoke because i had gotten to know him.

God will not lead us subjectively.
guess work.....it's not His way.
 

Katy-follower

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See there you go with that whole I'm limiting God thing, simply because I believe that has ceased.

There are people who would say you're limiting God by saying he won't communicate to you through new scripture.

Here's the deal.

If a vision/dream won't ever tell me something that's not already in the Bible, then how in the world could I miss what God wants to reveal to me? It's already in the Bible! How can I miss something that's already there so simply to be read?

So this whole assertion that someone will miss something God wants to reveal to them, due to their belief that visions have ceased, well that whole assertion is just misguided, because all God wants to reveal is already in the Bible.

And if there is something in a vision that isn't in the Bible, chances are I shouldnt follow it in the first place!

I'm missing NOTHING by relying on the word only.
You're free to believe these things have ceased, but it is unfair to tell someone that God does not speak to them in dreams and visions when some of us have experienced such things. This is not going against the word of God at all, because we have scripture and all things must be tested against it. I'm not saying this is new scripture, just that when we have a relationship with Him He speaks to us through His word and often through dreams and visions also.

I never said someone will miss out because of not receiving a dream. Dreams and visions do not add to scripture at all. Please don't assume things I don't say. I just think it's wrong to suggest someone is imagining things because you have a difference of opinion.
 

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That is certainly much different than a buncha Christians sittin around waitin for a dream, who probably have five copies of the Bible in their own house.
I was just trying to clarify. So you wouldn't say they no longer happen in certain circumstances.
 

Katy-follower

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God has not given us even a hint as to how we are to interpret dreams or visions.
He never shows us how to authenticate them. If they continue to exist then He would have shown us how to verify they came from Him
He does say in scripture to test all things and hold fast that which is good.

As I said before, when a dream is from God it will be clear. There will be no confusion on interpretation.
 
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Abiding

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Seems to me Jesus and the apostles would have given ample scripture so that
we knew we were going to be taught by dreams and visions. And had a test for them.
But its just not there. Anywhere to be found.

Jesus grew up with the Word, discussed the word, told us to live by every word.
Apostles had same message.

Noones saying we dont believe in dreams and visions. They happen to all of us.
Question is whether they are biblical. And if so where are the scriptures in the bible
to give us doctrines reproof and correction in dreams and visions?
 

Katy-follower

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i understand.
but did he say "someone out there is needing to hear this in particular - God says, someone in Texas needs 700 dollars...."

or is it just the Word of God working in us?
Noooo. I'm not talking of those prosperity preachers.

When you pray to God one night because you're struggling with a trial and He then has you put the tv on at a particular time where someone is talking about trials and they read scriptures that you needed to hear.

By the way, I'm non denominational.
 
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1still_waters

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I was just trying to clarify. So you wouldn't say they no longer happen in certain circumstances.
If someone is in an isolated country with no access to any Christian content/influence/whatever, a vision seems like a way God would show himself.

But once someone is a Christian, to expect visions and such, as far as revelation, that doesn't seem necessary. Especially given the fact most of Christianity has access to the Bible.
Visions are meant for NEW revelation.
 

Elizabeth619

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You're free to believe these things have ceased, but it is unfair to tell someone that God does not speak to them in dreams and visions when some of us have experienced such things. This is not going against the word of God at all, because we have scripture and all things must be tested against it. I'm not saying this is new scripture, just that when we have a relationship with Him He speaks to us through His word and often through dreams and visions also.

I never said someone will miss out because of not receiving a dream. Dreams and visions do not add to scripture at all. Please don't assume things I don't say. I just think it's wrong to suggest someone is imagining things because you have a difference of opinion.
His word isn't enough? Is that what you're saying?
 

Katy-follower

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to go into a closet and pray in secret then leave the closet and be answered openly
is nothing surprising. And is not the same as a dream. Its simply an answer to prayer
and not at all validating dreams.
I didn't say they were the same thing. Dreams and visions are different.

Yeah, you can pray about something and then get a phone call, for example, and your mother says something that was an answer to prayer.
 

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If someone is in an isolated country with no access to any Christian content/influence/whatever, a vision seems like a way God would show himself.

But once someone is a Christian, to expect visions and such, as far as revelation, that doesn't seem necessary. Especially given the fact most of Christianity has access to the Bible.
Visions are meant for NEW revelation.
fair nuff.
 

Katy-follower

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That is certainly much different than a buncha Christians sittin around waitin for a dream, who probably have five copies of the Bible in their own house.
We're not waiting around for a dream, lol. :p

I do have a bible and I pray also :)
 
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Jordache

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The scripture says man doesn't live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. The Greek word used here for "word" isn't logos meaning the written word. The word used is rhema meaning the current contemporary personal and revelatory word of God. Rhema word isn't the written word of God. It's Gods word in any fashion bought to life in your heart. Man doesn't live by bread or pages and pages of scripture. He lives by the revealed word God which though it will never contradict the logos, is something different altogether.
 

Elizabeth619

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He does say in scripture to test all things and hold fast that which is good.

As I said before, when a dream is from God it will be clear. There will be no confusion on interpretation.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

The apostles had the authority to validate wonders from others. Who has been appointed to validate and confirm yours?
If a dream is from God how do others know it came from him? We are told to TEST(which means to examine) them to see if they are from God. We are warned of false teachers and prophets who say they come in his name.

Being moved, emotional, or feeling good is not how we are told to test spirits either.

2 Pet.2:1, "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on
themselves swift destruction.
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In Eph.4:14, Paul says that a sure sign of spiritual immaturity is "tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting."



 
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Jordache

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Sorry, but dreams have to be interpreted. Dreams from God can be ery symbolic and you may not have the answer. There were many people who interpreted dreams in the bible. Sometimes we can interpret our own dreams, but that isn't always the case.