Modern Dreams/Visions/Prophecy/Revelation Movement Over Complicates Everything (IMO)

[Elizabeth619]

No I didn't say that.



What value would my dream have to you? It may be encouraging somewhat if I share it (mine was relating to faith/doubting), but then I don't share such things on these forums because we are here to study God's word and not depend on a person's dream or vision.

As I originally stated in this thread, I gave my opinion on dreams and visions and was going to leave it at that. Just because I have an opinion, differing from yours, does not make me a heretic.

Opinion when it comes to God does not mean facts. If someones view doesnt line up with His word then there is a problem, and when did I ask what value your dream was? I never asked you to share. I never asked what it was even about. Again...all I asked for was scripture confirming dreams are given to us in the way you say. You have not shown me scripture. I have full faith in the Word that all the answers I need are written in His book. I haven't been given the answers so in saying that .... I have my answer. goodnight.

 

[Katy-follower]

Yet we don't see how visions go with scripture. If someone has a vision or dream, and it is from God then it will not go against the Bible.

All we want is evidence they are from God. We have been given no scripture. We have been given ideas and opinions from individuals. Not God.

This is testing the spirits. This is what we are told to do. Examine it. If you or anyone who claims certain wonders is authentic then we would admit it. We haven't seen validation. We are told to discern. We are told not to believe everything. We are doing what we are told, and we know this from reading scripture. Not from a dream or a modern day prophecy.

I accept that you do not believe in such things, so we'll agree to disagree.

All I did here was state that visions and dreams have not ceased because I have experienced both. It is your free will to reject my post, but calling me a heretic because I have had a dream or vision (which I have never shared on the forums by the way) is wrong.

If a dream or vision goes against scripture then clearly it should be rejected. Mine never have.

 

[Katy-follower]

Not from a dream or a modern day prophecy.

My dream and visions were not prophetic. They were given in particular situations.

 

[Katy-follower]

Where is the scripture to prove your visions are from God?

Where does it say the Lord will give you visions when the bible says "16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God[SUP]a[/SUP]may be thoroughly equipped for every good work".

Does this say visions? dreams? THE SCRIPTURES ONLY!

Yes, I agree. All scripture is God breathed. I study God's word daily and test all things against scripture.

I'm sorry but God does speak to us through visions and dreams.

I wrote down several scriptures that came about as a result of a dream. Let me know if you want me to share them. As for the vision I had last year, God humbled me in it and softened my heart as a result of what He showed me.

 

[Katy-follower]

Katey i can be persuaded to join your side if you
feeling ganged on for a few cookies

Actually, the girl scouts came by recently so we bought a big tub of dough from them. Here for you, although I love Ferrero rocher (cannot spell it, lol) the most!

This should keep you busy for a whole year. Enjoy .....

 

[Katy-follower]

What I am asking, and have been asking for all along is scripture as evidence. Asking for scripture is not judging. Also, if you want to get in a judging debate we can. The bible doesn't say a Christian cannot judge, but if someone is teaching something false then we are to dismiss it. Before I dismiss you then I need scripture. I haven't been given it.

"knowing it is from God" tells me nothing. How does one know? What does the bible say about it?

I'm not teaching something false, because I never shared the full details of any vision or dream, so I'm not leading you away from scripture. I merely said in my first post that I don't believe visions and dreams have ceased. I'm not a heretic because I believe that.

You're quick to wrongfully judge me. While we're on the subject.... where you stand with your eschatology does not agree with what scripture really says, but then it is your opinion, so I will agree to disagree with you on that one.

Speaking with God is a two way thing. We know what is from God and what isn't. Don't be quick to judge how God works in a person's life, because we all have a personal relationship with Him. You don't know me or what I've been through in life, and how He has worked throughout it all.

 

[Katy-follower]

Opinion when it comes to God does not mean facts. If someones view doesnt line up with His word then there is a problem, and when did I ask what value your dream was? I never asked you to share. I never asked what it was even about. Again...all I asked for was scripture confirming dreams are given to us in the way you say. You have not shown me scripture. I have full faith in the Word that all the answers I need are written in His book. I haven't been given the answers so in saying that .... I have my answer. goodnight.

Again, I'm not leading anyone astray by sharing that I have had visions and a dream. if you deny I have had them and want to call me a liar then so be it, but for me to deny I have would by lying.

My dream and visions do not affect you or anyone in any way, because I have not shared them. Just because you believe they don't exist today does not make your opinion correct.

 

[RedTent]

There just has to be some way that dreams, ideas, beliefs can be tested to arrive at truth! I have read posters make wild statements, and even use scripture to back up their beliefs. Yet, anyone who studies all scripture about what they believe in can know it is not truth they have arrived at. It is as if they get what they read in the word out of balance. This is done to almost anything God wants us to know about from grace to sin, from covenants to even our Savior.

Sometimes people who use limited scripture reading to arrive at a whole truth will clue us in that it is what they are doing by using the word “only”. They will say it is only grace, or only Christ. What they know is truth, but so was the truth that Satan quoted to Christ when He spent 40 days in the desert. Satan eliminated the whole truth when he tempted Christ.

Think of the millions of Mormon people who truly believe some yoyo who found old Indian plates could add to what God told us with those plates. Some of America’s most intelligent people believe this. All of us know of strange ideas well meaning intelligent people get. And they say it is from the Holy Spirit, that it is God’s truth.

When we see so much of people being mislead, people who really try to know truth, then we know to be very very careful we test our beliefs with all scripture. When even scripture can mislead us when only a part of a subject is looked at, then dreams need to be very carefully watched.

 

[RedTent]

Yes, I agree. All scripture is God breathed. I study God's word daily and test all things against scripture.

I'm sorry but God does speak to us through visions and dreams.

I wrote down several scriptures that came about as a result of a dream. Let me know if you want me to share them. As for the vision I had last year, God humbled me in it and softened my heart as a result of what He showed me.

You study all scripture, you test everything against scripture. We must be careful when we say visions and dreams are from God. You are being careful.

What a blessing they must have been.

 

[JaumeJ]

Our Father is not mute nor can anyone, no matter what is their dogma on the subject, mute Him. As a child, and long before the Holy Spirit entered into me, I had a waking vision on my bed. I was about six or seven. This vision left me with one particular point learned, and that was to have faith in God and I could cross over a bottomless pit. I never told anyone at the time, and very few as an adult because it really is not intended for everyone, not the vision that is, of course we all can move mountains with faith.

Now the night before the Holy Spirit entered into me, I had a dream after prayer and fasting, about 22 years after.. I prayed and fasted not knowing for certain just who God is, and He gave me a dream that satisfied my pleas; it was just for me, and to this day I do not understand all of it, but what I did understand convinced me that there "is a God," and He had me in His plan. The following day, without knowing about the born again experience, the Holy Spirit entered into me, even me, and I was drawn wholly to Jesus Christ. I am no one in the eyes of any of mankind, yet, God loves me (us) so very much that He answered me, and has been with me when I have been up, and when I have fallen. He is faithful though every man is false.
Debate all you wish about whether or not people receive Word from God, Himself, but no one can tell anyone who has heard His voice that it is not true.

 

[Katy-follower]

Now I get it...... those who deny visions and dreams today are doing so because it does not agree with their chosen eschatology.

 

[kenisyes]

Kenisyes, why don't you start a Messanic congregation? One that is one fire for God, because you are on fire for God. Why do you need a prophecy or a vision to do that?

Why does on fire have to be loud, noisy and confused?

Why can't on fire be people gathering together in one accord, and receiving the truth of God's word to spread the gospel?

I have other things to start. You are right, nothing has to be loud. It certainly should never bre confused. Dreams and visions normally are not loud. Stillwaters is the one who upgraded the volume, with "crying out loud".

 

[loveme1]

One must note (IMO) that the title contained by the author.

He gave his opinion from his experience and beliefs it is evident some are of the same opinion and others not by their experience and beliefs.

This thread does not change the Truth.

 

[kenisyes]

Seems to me Jesus and the apostles would have given ample scripture so that
we knew we were going to be taught by dreams and visions. And had a test for them.
But its just not there. Anywhere to be found.

Jesus grew up with the Word, discussed the word, told us to live by every word.
Apostles had same message.

Noones saying we dont believe in dreams and visions. They happen to all of us.
Question is whether they are biblical. And if so where are the scriptures in the bible
to give us doctrines reproof and correction in dreams and visions?

Peter learned the gospel was for Gentiles by a vision. And Paul learned the gospel was to go the Greek world by dream. (Cornelius, and the man of Macedonia)Paul's arrival in Rome was confirmed by the prophet Agabus. It is because of a vision and a dream, that we now have "take the gospel to ALL nations". Previously, neither suspected the call was to him personally. The point is, Scripture has examples of a dream or prophecy showing who, when and where a specific move is to be made in carrying out the great commission. Everyone going everywhere would be just as confusing as people here are claiming dreams and prophecy are.

 

[loveme1]

The trouble with this idea is, that not all the revelation in the bible is happening in my life, or my city right now. That dream, consistent with the Bible, can focus my attention to something that needs to be done right now. If I do not speak my dream, it is less likely to happen. Speak it, and five people agree it is important, then there are enough of us to advance the Kingdom of God in that specific way.

It's like, there are no Messianic Jewish congregations in Delaware. If I have a dream of starting one, shouldn't I tell some other people I think it is what God wants?

Was that an example or do you feel like starting one?

 

[Jordache]

That's great Katy, but there are times when God uses others to interpret.
Abiding, I'd be interested to know how you've concluded that Matt 4 is the rhema word. I do believe that God can use the written word as rhema, but rhema comes in other ways also.

 

[kenisyes]

Was that an example or do you feel like starting one?

It was an example. If you look at my CC threads and postings and website, you will see I am quite busy in ministry. I miss having the variety of the Kingdom of God that I have become used to over the years.

 

[loveme1]

It was an example. If you look at my CC threads and postings and website, you will see I am quite busy in ministry. I miss having the variety of the Kingdom of God that I have become used to over the years.

Okay, thank you

 

[Elizabeth619]

Now I get it...... those who deny visions and dreams today are doing so because it does not agree with their chosen eschatology.

No. Those who deny them
Today disagree because it doesn't agree with the bible.

 

[crossnote]

Now I get it...... those who deny visions and dreams today are doing so because it does not agree with their chosen eschatology.

CLose. I would say those who deny them never had one otherwise...