Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

You claim that those who reject do so because God does not give what is needed to not reject. If God does as you claim, then God is to blame for their rejection because He withholds what is needed.

I do not believe as you do. I believe those who reject do so of their own volition and not because God did not give them what is needed to not reject. Just as the invitation to the marriage in Matt 22. The invitees rejected the invitation so the king invited others. Those who attended the marriage were the ones who did not reject the invitation.

From our point of view, the whole of humanity fell when Adam and Eve sinned against God and separated us from God. Every person born after they sinned inherited the fallen state, as such they would never choose to give up their lives over to Christ because they love their sin so much.

I have a big problem with unconditional love for all mankind.

We are still dealing with the same God who destroyed the whole world by flood and only saved a handful of people.
That doesn't look or sound like unconditional love for all mankind to me, and there are many other examples of Gods hatred for men in the bible where He destroys entire cities and thousands of people out of His wrath for sinful men.

Those who will not be saved do not want to be saved, so they are directly responsible for going to hell. The offer is there for all but only the elect will chose to believe, and the rest will reject it so you can't blame God for their rejection of the free offer of salvation for everyone.

God should destroy the whole world with fire and brimstone right now and send everyone to hell, that would be what we all deserve. But out of His sovereign love He has decided to save many whom He loves unconditionally.

In agreement that salvation is wholly due to God's grace, mercy, lovingkindness.

I don't think you understand 1 Cor 2:14 or Dan 4:35 or John 6:37 or John 6:39.

Jesus died for all mankind. Just because God allows mankind to reject His precious gift does not mean Jesus did not die for all.

What did God want when He told Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

If it was God's will that Adam not eat, then why did Adam eat?

If it was God's will that Adam eat, then why did God tell Adam not to eat?





I'm not explaining anything away. I read the context within which the verse sits (something you are hesitant to do because it does not support your erroneous belief that salvation is the issue when the issue is that God gives rulership in the earth to whoever He wants - Dan 4:25).





In agreement that God works all things together for good. Look what He did with Passover. 1 Cor 2:8 tells us if the princes of this world had known the mystery, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But they did not know the mystery, and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ endured the cross, despising the shame, and God has given Him the name which is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.





Nope. I do not limit the power of God. If anyone limits God's power, it's the one who claims God cannot save all mankind and that Jesus' sacrifice was insufficient to cover all mankind. Those who end up in the lake of fire do so because they suppressed the truth in unrighteousness and rejected God's gracious call to them.

Adam was created in the image of God (Gen 1:27).

Adam sinned and in Gen 5:3 we see that progeny of Adam was born in the likeness, after the image of Adam.

According to 1 Peter 1:23 we are born corruptible seed, and when we are born again, we are born again of incorruptible seed.

You are ignoring these scriptures because you can not accept that God does not love all mankind and are holding on to your wanting to believe that God just could not make such statements like the scriptures above. God saw by his foreknowledge that no man would seek him and therefore choose some to have his Son cleanse them of sin, so he would have someone to praise him. God was not unfair in not choosing all mankind, because the whole human race would have gone to hell. God does accomplish ALL of his will, and if it were his will to save all mankind, he would have done it, because no man can stay his hand.

I am not ignoring Scripture.

You do not understand the difference between the Greek pas ("all") used in John 3:16 and the Greek pas ("all") used in John 6:37, 39.

You conflate the use in John 3 with the use in John 6.

You ignore the fact that Thayer's has been manipulated to support a doctrine never intended by Thayer or God.

I have shown you the error in the later editions of Thayer's and you have yet to acknowledge there is any manipulation going on.

I have shown you that Dan 4 is unrelated to salvation and you reject. You pull vs 35 out of the context within which it sits and hold it up as support for your erroneous doctrine.

If anyone does not understand 1 Cor 2:14, it is one who does not allow God to love ALL, even though God knows some reject Him and will find themselves cast into the lake of fire.

That's all well and good as long as you admit that you still remain corrupt, even after you were born again of incorruptible seed.

I'm one of those who has great difficulty believing that God loves all, then turns around and casts many of His loved ones into the lake of fire. I just can't accept the notion that a God who loves someone would cast them into the lake of fire, it's seems to be an oxymoron.

I am not ignoring Scripture.

You do not understand the difference between the Greek pas ("all") used in John 3:16 and the Greek pas ("all") used in John 6:37, 39.

You conflate the use in John 3 with the use in John 6.

You ignore the fact that Thayer's has been manipulated to support a doctrine never intended by Thayer or God.

I have shown you the error in the later editions of Thayer's and you have yet to acknowledge there is any manipulation going on.

I have shown you that Dan 4 is unrelated to salvation and you reject. You pull vs 35 out of the context within which it sits and hold it up as support for your erroneous doctrine.

If anyone does not understand 1 Cor 2:14, it is one who does not allow God to love ALL, even though God knows some reject Him and will find themselves cast into the lake of fire.

I am not dismissing John 6:37. I disagree with your doctrine.

You claim God gives only those He chooses to give.

I claim God's desire is that ALL would be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4) and those given are the ones who do not reject.





You do not allow those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness to reject God when He reveals His eternal power and Godhead. Under your doctrine, they have no choice but to reject, which given them an excuse - even though you won't admit it and hide behind your "free" spot - "God done it". Reminds me of the TODDI defense - the other dude did it ...

If a person is going to teach others about the kingdom then they must become informed what the kingdom of God is and what is the will of God.

The few are not the saved...but those who enter into life in this time. We are talking about the saints...those who rule over the nations with Christ. So then the few are the ones who are like Christ. The gospel is not about salvation as many suppose salvation to be...but about glory. It is the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ.

Only a few will taste the wonders of the depths of God.

How many walk in the Spirit in our time? How many walk in resurrection power above sin? Many? Or very few?

Does that mean that if you are not perfect in Christ you can't be saved??

That is not the point of the gospel. God is trying to get us interested in what HE is interested in. He is trying to transform us....but most people just want a salvation status added on to their carnal lives.

Many will be cast into the lake of fire and die there. This is the second death.

Again this is for the sons of God. The many are not lost but are simply not able to handle the challenges that God wants His people to master.

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The remnant of Israel. These are the holy ones.




The minimum standard in the kingdom of God is that we love others as ourselves. If we do this we will be saved. Now that is very hard for a modern believer to hear because the truth is really quite unknown in our time. But the law of righteousness continues to be in effect. It says God so loved the world....not God so wanted to prove men are incapable of loving God or others.

So then God is easy to please but hard to satisfy.

A Christian who claims to be a follower of Christ will be judged by a very hard standard...that of holiness.

A person who is humble and claims nothing will be judged easier.

According to how we judge and claim things...so will our own judgment be. This truth is basically either ignored or unknown.

So then many righteous will be saved in the nations....the meek, the loving, the merciful, the repentant...etc

God is love and very merciful.

But to those who claim much or have received much...the judgment will be harder. To whom much is given more is required.

But who understands these things? Who understands God's ways?

Or, God saw in His foreknowledge the fall of man and, therefore, He devised the plan of redemption before the foundation of the world, holds it out to ALL and reveals His eternal power and Godhead to ALL. Those who reject are without excuse (Rom 1:18-20).





So when Adam ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, was it God's will?

If it was God's will to have Adam eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, why did God tell Adam not to eat in Gen 2:17?

Your assertion has no merit and the Bible falls apart in the first couple of chapters.

Wow where is it that the saved are judged???? In fact the ones who return with Christ are to judge.
The saved are not appointed to wrath
If you are in Christ (born again) your not judged.

That sure is an amusing way of explaining 1 Cor 2:14. Like I said before, no one has analyzed it yet! If you believe the "ALL" in John 6:37 & 39 means all mankind, then, how do you interpret "I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT" and "I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING" ? It sounds like Jesus said that he was going to save all that was given him. God is all powerful and accomplishes all his will. It was God's will to allow man to have free will in how that man wanted to live his life here on earth, but his eternal destiny is God's choice.

All scripture must harmonize and if they do not, you do not understand Christ's doctrine. I can make this scripture harmonize by interpreting the "ALL MEN" the right way in saying it has reference to "ALL OF THE ELECT MEN".

No, it was not God's will that Adam eat of the tree. It also is God's will to allow man to have a free will as to how that man wants to live his life here on earth, but eternal salvation for man is God's choice.