Sabbath

If we do not share the Truth from God, we do not love as we are commanded to do, not that we need the command after having received the Holy Spirit within. Please read the post again. There is nothng haughty in it, simply a reply sharing what is considered given in the Spirit.

then you don't understand what you're reading.


see previous post.

There was lots of councils on issues called, which one ?

The Sabbath was changed to sunday.

The Passover [on 14th of Gods cal.]was replaced by Easter.
The deity of Christ was changed.
The calender was changed to a popes.
The modern holydays the world keeps where made.
The oracles of God where rejected and banned.
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We have a warning in the bible that this would happen. Daniel 7:24-25.
Here God is talking about the “little horn,” the Catholic Church.


“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall
wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”


Lets start with The Catholic Calendar

One dramatic measure of the Catholic religion’s global influence is its control over the definition
and measurement of time itself. Even today, though the presence of Catholicism doesn’t seem as
ubiquitous as it once was, we continue to live by a calendar largely created by the popes of old:

the Gregorian calendar—named after Pope Gregory xiii. That calendar revolves around fixing
the date of Easter in line with the spring equinox, ensuring that the Catholic’s pagan festivals
fall at the right time relative to Earth’s revolution around the sun.

This calendar is based on the Julian calendar, the Roman calendar established in 45 b.c. by Julius
Caesar. He chose the names and lengths of the months that we still use today (except July and
August, which were renamed after Julius and Augustus). But the Julian calendar was later altered
by the Vatican. God actually prophesied that the Catholic Church would change time itself!


What is the Catholic Church’s motive for changing the way mankind measures time?
It is an attempt to destroy—by removing from mankind’s memory—the knowledge
about God’s true holy days and the Sabbath.


the Roman Catholic Church have their own version of the Ten Com.
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/catholic_church_idolatry.html
they deleted the second Commandment and changed God's Sabbath to Sunday
and split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments
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The following from the Catholic Encyclopaedia Vol. 4, p. 153 also confirms the deletion
of the second Commandment and the change of the fourth. “The church, after changing
the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath of the seventh day of the week to the first made
the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day.”

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In 1562 the Archbishop declared that tradition now stood above scripture.

“The authority of the Church is illustrated most clearly by the scriptures, for on one hand
she recommends them, declares them to be divine, and offers them to us to be read, and
on the other hand, the legal precepts in the scriptures taught by the Lord have ceased by
virtue of the same authority.

The Sabbath, the most glorious day in the law, has been changed into the Lord's day.

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Ancient Rome’s pagan holidays have been chained on this current world.
These include certain annual holidays—Christmas, New Year’s, Easter,
as well as many more, every one a pagan day—every one used to stimulate
the sale of merchandise in the commercial markets. Any earnest seeker after
truth learns that these days are all of heathen origin and pagan significance.


The first half of verse 25 provides the answer: It is an attempt to destroy—
by removing from mankind’s memory—the knowledge about God’s true
holy days and the Sabbath.

care to answer the question from post #98?

WE have a week of seven days created by the Word which became Flesh. I can see which day is the 7th on my calendar. I trust that God can keep His Days preserved by man, wicked or not. "And the Earth helped the women". I want to make more money on this day. I want to fish on this day, golf on this day. I want to treat this day the same as I treat every day, and do as I please. But the Word which became Flesh, who has purchased me by His Blood, gave me instruction that this day IS NOT like the other 6 days. That I am to treat this day differently because HE separated this day and made this day Holy, and He did this for me.

Now this same Word which became Flesh, also said that if I follow His instructions, He will reveal Himself to me, and will ask His Father to give me understanding of His Word.

He also gave me volumes of examples of the consequences of refusing to accept His version of Holy, His instructions etc., and create my own as religious man has done since the beginning.

In every case, those who rejected His instructions, add to them, or take away from them, are plagued with deception. They live in belief of things which are not true. They still want immortality, and are convinced they have found it, but as Jesus said, "They worship Him in vain".

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time refused to accept God's instructions choosing instead to create their own which was a mixture of God's Word and their own religious perspective. In doing this they were cursed, as promised, and God withheld His Truth from them.

Todays religious man, in like manner, have also created their own instructions which include parts of God's Words, and parts of their own religious reasoning. (Surely we shall not die)

In my view, this is why the Pharisees taught the lie that it was against God's Laws to take a walk on His Sabbath in fellowship with Him, and pick and eat a raspberry or ear of corn.

And I believe this is why you can truly believe in and teach the lie that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by following God's Laws when Jesus told you flat out they were not.

So your question is founded on a false belief about God in the first place. And as a result you will believe things about God that are not true, just as the examples God had written for our admonition believed things about God that are not true. You are free to consider yourself above this God and His warnings, but I don't believe I am.

This is why Jesus said "Beware of the Leaven of the Pharisees" who were the mainstream preachers of His time. A little of their false doctrine, if held as foundational truth, leavens the whole lump. As Paul said;

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

I am sure you can find all manner of men in THEIR history who will justify men's religious tradition of rejecting God's Sabbaths.

And as the serpent, they will use parts of God's Words and sound very reasonable. As for me, though I am nothing more than a maggot turd, I trusted Him and His Works over mine and the religions traditions and doctrines of the religions of the land. And my perspective changed, my understanding changed. I can attribute this change to Him and His Promises, the only thing I did was believe Him enough to do as He instructed.

I think it is a mistake, and against the teaching of the Bible to seek out men like Philo or Wesley, or Calvin or the Pope to find the truth about God. Had Eve just refused to listen to the "other voices", like Abraham, things would have been different.

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world (religions) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I think you are making a mistake placing your trust in religious man like Philo.

Heb. 12:
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I asked the question: "What if God is smart enough to keep His weeks and years available to man"? Surely something to consider.

why answer this if you don't know what I'm referring to? that's puzzling

I think you know what someone who insists Saturday is the lawful day for worship is called

sorry...I'm not getting lost in the forest of your words and labels define so whether you like it or not....

would you refuse to be called Christian?

WE have a week of seven days created by the Word which became Flesh. I can see which day is the 7th on my calendar. I trust that God can keep His Days preserved by man, wicked or not. "And the Earth helped the women". I want to make more money on this day. I want to fish on this day, golf on this day. I want to treat this day the same as I treat every day, and do as I please. But the Word which became Flesh, who has purchased me by His Blood, gave me instruction that this day IS NOT like the other 6 days. That I am to treat this day differently because HE separated this day and made this day Holy, and He did this for me.

Now this same Word which became Flesh, also said that if I follow His instructions, He will reveal Himself to me, and will ask His Father to give me understanding of His Word.

He also gave me volumes of examples of the consequences of refusing to accept His version of Holy, His instructions etc., and create my own as religious man has done since the beginning.

In every case, those who rejected His instructions, add to them, or take away from them, are plagued with deception. They live in belief of things which are not true. They still want immortality, and are convinced they have found it, but as Jesus said, "They worship Him in vain".

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time refused to accept God's instructions choosing instead to create their own which was a mixture of God's Word and their own religious perspective. In doing this they were cursed, as promised, and God withheld His Truth from them.

Todays religious man, in like manner, have also created their own instructions which include parts of God's Words, and parts of their own religious reasoning. (Surely we shall not die)

In my view, this is why the Pharisees taught the lie that it was against God's Laws to take a walk on His Sabbath in fellowship with Him, and pick and eat a raspberry or ear of corn.

And I believe this is why you can truly believe in and teach the lie that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by following God's Laws when Jesus told you flat out they were not.

So your question is founded on a false belief about God in the first place. And as a result you will believe things about God that are not true, just as the examples God had written for our admonition believed things about God that are not true. You are free to consider yourself above this God and His warnings, but I don't believe I am.

This is why Jesus said "Beware of the Leaven of the Pharisees" who were the mainstream preachers of His time. A little of their false doctrine, if held as foundational truth, leavens the whole lump. As Paul said;

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

I am sure you can find all manner of men in THEIR history who will justify men's religious tradition of rejecting God's Sabbaths.

And as the serpent, they will use parts of God's Words and sound very reasonable. As for me, though I am nothing more than a maggot turd, I trusted Him and His Works over mine and the religions traditions and doctrines of the religions of the land. And my perspective changed, my understanding changed. I can attribute this change to Him and His Promises, the only thing I did was believe Him enough to do as He instructed.

I think it is a mistake, and against the teaching of the Bible to seek out men like Philo or Wesley, or Calvin or the Pope to find the truth about God. Had Eve just refused to listen to the "other voices", like Abraham, things would have been different.

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world (religions) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I think you are making a mistake placing your trust in religious man like Philo.

Heb. 12:
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I asked the question: "What if God is smart enough to keep His weeks and years available to man"? Surely something to consider.

I can see which day is the 7th on my calendar.

I addressed what the Council of Nicea was convened for and the Council of Laodicea (AD 365) that outlawed the true seventh-day sabbath (sunset Friday to sunset Saturday).

I don't know what other event you are talking about, but I figure it must be Constantine's vision of 312 "En Hoc Signo Vinces." Or maybe the Edict of Milan in 313 that gave Christians the right to practice.

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Well said Studyman and thank you !

You have made mention of a named doctrine.........if it means what the name seems to indicate I answered and that well.........but, if I have misunderstood you may give an explication. Keeping it simple of course.

i've been asking whether you're looking at the right calendar.

i gather you're talking about a man-made Julain calendar.
that's great for keeping coordinated with human-kind, but is that the one the scripture uses for counting appointed days?

uh huh he ((once again)) completely skipped my question and went straight to blaming pharisees for all conceivable evil. 'well said' i guess??? well that's you're opinion.

what about whether you should regret or be thankful for and rejoice in doing what God sets before you to do on a certain day tho?
what e'er the day, what e'er the work?

Julian, Philo, the Historical Channel, It seems foolish for man to place their trust in these over God.

You have zero Biblical proof that the 7th day of our calendar is any different than the Sabbath He healed a man on, that He said was made for man.

Besides, there is no evidence in your posts that it would matter to man anyway. Even if they are shown that the Pharisees were not obeying God's instructions for salvation, or even if they have been shown that Saturday is indeed, the Sabbath of God, they would still refuse to accept God's Word's regarding them. As it is written:

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

But they said, We will not walk therein.

AS it is to this day.


Talk about Irony!

I didn't skip your question, I dug to it's foundation.

reading comprehension.
getchasom.

i've said repeatedly i don't know whether the sabbath ought to be determined in the same way all other appointed days in scripture are calculated or whether any human calendar will do.

i'm asking a question.

You have made mention of a named doctrine.........if it means what the name seems to indicate I answered and that well.........but, if I have misunderstood you may give an explication. Keeping it simple of course.

uh huh he ((once again)) completely skipped my question and went straight to blaming pharisees for all conceivable evil. 'well said' i guess??? well that's you're opinion.

what about whether you should regret or be thankful for and rejoice in doing what God sets before you to do on a certain day tho?
what e'er the day, what e'er the work?