Not By Works

Where is your rebuttal using scriptures that you claim to apply? Where is your explanation of how Shamah is in error with the application of the scriptures he used? You are using your religious belief here, again, not the Word's of God.

Shamah laid on a concise, detailed explanation of his belief and you completely ignored it, this time you didn't even post a scripture, just more of YOUR words.

What about the Blood of animals and Levite Priesthood Ceremonies the Jews were still pushing on the Galatians? Doesn't the Bible say they were a "shadow of things to come"? What things? Were they not to lead the partakers to the true Blood, the true Sacrifice?

Then, of course, we would not need to sacrifice any more animals or have a ?Levite Priest perform "works of the Law" given by Moses for the remission of sins.

But should we not still follow His instructions for us?

Lev. 19:
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Are not these and others what the Word which became Flesh said He would write on our hearts? How do these cease to exist once we have been lead to Christ?

A man shouldn't have to repent from following God's instructions and belief in Him who created them. A man should repent from following religious traditions which "transgress the commandments of God".

Do you agree with this statement?

Can you explain the sin you accuse Shamah of, that he needs repentance from? The Messiah was pretty detailed on the sins He accused the Mainstream Preachers of His time of.

As a "Christian" should you also be detailed in your accusations? How can Shamah repent, if you don't explain what his sin is.

At the very least, shouldn't you PM him and "help your brother"? Or is this just another attempt to ridicule and discredit him as did the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time who, through the Word's of God, exposed their religious doctrines as from man and not from God?

So is your Christ the same Christ that told Abram to forsake His Family and "follow Him"?

So in your religion, Noah didn't receive Grace and Truth from the Word which became Flesh?

Abraham didn't receive truth and Grace for the word which Became Flesh?

So if you don't believe in this Christ, what Christ do you believe in?

but, who was given those instructions? and when?

you see, you can go on and on ( like you do ) about the Law and the Covenants , but as long as you refuse to use context and chronological order, your words are just that . words. they are devoid of proper meaning.

like your insistence that we are under the Jerimiah 31 covenant. well, if you actually read chapter 30, God specifically told Jeremiah that " when He brings His People back from captivity ".

so, unless you were there with the people of Israel, got carried away to Babylon, and then are going back to the promised land, that does not apply to you.

and, before you respond with " well, that is symbolism of a sinner turning to Christ" , consider this- could this also mean that we are intended to live out the righteous requirements of the Law, and not the letter , as you insist?

since you won't straightly answer that, I will- yes it can.

this is Who was nailed to the cross.

to proclaim freedom to the captives.

to save you.

So given God's Law is Spiritual, what is the captivity?

Were they held captive by God's unjust and burdensome laws as you and many others on this forum imply? Or were they held captive by death and deception caused by listening to "other voices" than their Savior, as did Eve?

Yes, to save me. But not from God's instructions as you preach. Jesus did not come back to "remove" God's instructions. He came to remove my past sins so I am free to "SERVE" HIM in Holiness. His Holiness, not yours or religious mans.

We were held captive by the devil, not by God. At least this is what the scriptures tell us.

Hi decon,

The correct response to being "set free" from the Law and sin and death should be "joy unspeakable and thankfulness to Jesus for setting us free", not more Law please.

Why would anyone want more of what brought them death and condemnation, I cannot imagine who.

God bless!

I never said that or implied that.......and like normal you twist and embellish to make an invalid point.....both cited examples were before the law was given and NO ONE said that there are not examples to be found...what was addressed was your comment that we have always been under the covenant of grace....that is FALSE.......

I'm not going to answer this, the poster is aching for an argument no intention on finding the truth.

do you know the scriptures as well as you boast?

Romans 11:32
For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.

Galatians 3:22-23
But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.

Proverbs 30:10
Do not slander a servant to his master, lest he curse you, and you be held guilty.

If you isolate yes, but this would ignore the Messiah;s words, the 2 greatest Commands He spoke... I don't think John was erasing this, I think He had this in mind... and uhh loving without doing it the way Yah says is your own version of love not His...

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

One then you simply don't believe the Messiah;s words when He says "unless heaven and earth pass nothing will pass from the Law" or PS 89 or PS 105...

and This is handled in Hebrews:

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”



Notice it is the same word in English “change” but in the Greek they are 2 different words?



“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”



If we only look at the English it is easy to misunderstand what the writer of Hebrews is seeking to tell us. Lets take a deeper look at the difference between these words:



“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331)”



“changed” is word #G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n., transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law). [from G3346], KJV: change, removing, translation, Root(s): G3346



Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

#G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis; 1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established



As in the priesthood on earth, the Levite priesthood has been abolished, and the Priesthood in the heavens, carried out by Yahshua is established. This “change” or “metathesis” is a removal of one that is replaced by another.



“there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”



Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.



“change” is word #G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v., 1. to transfer., 2. (literally) to transport., 3. (by implication) to exchange., 4. (reflexively) to change sides. [from G3326 and G5087], KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn, Root(s): G3326, G5087



Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; 1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) 1a) to transfer 1b) to change 1c) to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred 1c1) to go or pass over 1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another



Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:—carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.



As in the Law has been transferred, not mediated by Levites but mediated by Yahshua the High Priest. This “change” or “metatithemi” is a transferral.

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, (1Pe 2:24a KJV)

Thus ending the need for Old Testament law.

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”



Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Romans 3:20 (NASB)
20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.


THAT APPLIES TO BOTH THE OLD TESTAMENT AS WELL AS THE NEW TESTAMENT.


Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.


When the KNOWLEDGE of SIN comes in it will bring you to a DEEP, REMORSEFUL realization of HOW YOUR ACTIONS HURT GOD.
Where are your weepings, your sobs, and your pleading with HIM for forgiveness? That is what true repentance actually IS.


Psalm 51:17 (HCSB)
17 The sacrifice pleasing to God is a broken spirit. God, You will not despise a broken and humbled heart.


IT IS MY GUESS, that you have NEVER had this kind of SEVERE GRIEF AND MOURNING over how UTTERLY SINFUL YOU HAVE BEEN. I have, and that was for the hours just before I received HIM as LORD of my Life, where I was weeping like a baby and sobbed for hours.
If you have NEVER HAD THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE, how come?

David certainly did?

Psalm 51:1-17 (ESV)
1 Have mercy on me, O God, according to your steadfast love; according to your abundant mercy blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin!
3 For I know my transgressions, and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.
5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Let me hear joy and gladness; let the bones that you have broken rejoice.
9 Hide your face from my sins, and blot out all my iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation, and uphold me with a willing spirit.
13 Then I will teach transgressors your ways, and sinners will return to you.
14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, O God of my salvation, and my tongue will sing aloud of your righteousness.
15 O Lord, open my lips, and my mouth will declare your praise.
16 For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it; you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Why do you mock me?

I asked a simple question and the possible consequences as a result.
You then go to an extreme and use stealing.
Now everyone knows stealing is a sin.
The majority of people on here probably have no idea what a tzitzit and it's purpose and relevance today.

But not everyone knows whether not wearing a tzitzit is a sin, which you related to Posthuman that if you did not wear it then it's a sin

So if I do not wear one then I am sinning and if I feel it's not relevant to me to wear then I am willfully sinning.

Hence "Am I codemned?

Thanks for LOL at me.

OUR LORD JESUS GAVE INSTRUCTIONS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL UNTO ALL NATIONS.


TO BAPTIZE AND TO TEACH OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. (matthew 28:18-20)


romans 10

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”


THOSE WHO DO NOT TEACH OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S COMMANDS WERE NOT SENT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL.


1 john 4

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.


4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


1 john 2
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a LIAR, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word,love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

revelations 21
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

LIKE ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA, WHO AFTER ŔECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH FAITH, LIED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.

WILL THEY BE CONSIGNED TO THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR?

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things COMETH THE WRATH OF .GOD ÙPON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE.

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.


For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF GOD?



He will punish those who do not know God and DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS.



"GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED"

"LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR"