Calvinism vs. Arminianism?

That is just another example of DELIBERATELY DISTORTING Scripture to accommodate the doctrines of men. A very serious sin.

Yes Peter is teaching people who are already born again, and is reminding them of how they cleansed their heart by obeying the Gospel.


And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit...
1 Peter 1:17-21


The Point -

They way we are saved and cleansed from our sins is by obeying the Gospel.



JPT

maybe this thread should be closed down because baby steps are the correction

I will be providing the recommendation to close this thread and banned those usual suspects who have insulted people who disagree with them. Thank you God there are some on both sides so it will be fair .

Cleansing our souls by our obedience is not talking about getting eternal salvation. After we have been regenerated and yield to the desires of our fleshly nature and sin, when we repent and obey God's commands we have purified our souls from that sin. If being obedient to the gospel saves us eternally, it would be eternal salvation by works (depending on man's actions).

Sorry, The 23rd verse was on the following page, and I overlooked it, my apologies. The 23rd verse further reinforces the fact that they had already been born again, by using the word HAVING, being in the past tense.

I might have misunderstood your statement. If you are referring that we are delivered (saved here in time) from a sin by obeying the gospel, I agree with you, but if you are referring that we are saved (delivered) eternally by obeying the gospel, then I disagree with you.

This is a failure to understand God's omniscients. God foreknowing does not rule out free will. But it does rule out you being able to stake some claim on some action you did that gave you salvation. He made you knowing full well what you would do.

If you are referring to God's foreknowledge, then read Ps 53:2-3.

Which does not mean that he didn't know it already.
Are you trying to tell me that God isn't omniscient? Him that sees the end from the beginning? That Christ wasn't slain from the foundation of the earth?
Because David said God looked to see? That would be a poor interpretation. I always knew what my children were doing yet still looked to see, and behold they were doing exactly what I knew they were doing. Which is why I had my corrective plan already in mind.
I am certain beyond any doubt God knows better than I.

Good question Im not much on titles kind of meaningless to me, not sure what you mean about the 15,000 or so?

Does God know who is yes, does God give people a chance to choose Jesus yes, thats about all Ive got to say about that.

I am not understanding what your accusation of me is. What "action" are you claiming that you are able to take to give you eternal salvation (deliverance)?

I don't know what your problem is. If I understand your comment, I am in agreement with you. I, absolutely, believe that God has all foreknowledge. My defense is that, a person can not make a true statement in saying, "God, by his foreknowledge, looked down through time and saw those that would choose him, and they are the ones that he choose as his elect".

Not accusing you of anything. There is no action that a man can take that will give him salvation. That is the work of Christ and Christ alone.

I don't have a problem. Not with this anyway. I mean I have lots of problems but nothing to do with you or this thread.

Peter is showing how we were born again through obeying the Gospel.


It’s very clear.


Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23



JPT

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10



JPT

Romans 10
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Obeying the gospel is equated to believing the gospel, believing the report concerning Jesus Christ and the cross.

After God has regenerated us and we are learning the gospel, we sometimes are drawn away by our fleshly lusts and disobey the gospel, are we then punished with everlasting destruction, or are we allowed to repent and come back into a fellowship with God?

If we repent, and return to God in which we are once again reconciled to Him, then all is forgiven, and we are restored to Him the n righteousness.


If we remain lost and die in that condition, then we will face eternal death.


The principle of becoming lost -


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7


Key Verse -

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

When a person who wanders away from Him, and becomes lost, that person has returned to being a sinner in need of repentance.



James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death

JLB