Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

http://www.blbclassic.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=spiritual+gospel&t=KJV

Yep.

Really, what does the election of God and some mysterious saved before getting saved stop a broken-hearted sinner from reading AND UNDERSTANDING, "For God so loved the World that He gave . . .?"

It takes a Calvinist to darken the understanding by changing the word "WORLD" for "THE ELECT" . . . adding to the Word of God!!! Well, it's probably more of taking away from the Word of God.

In your own post your claim that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind is proven false. If true all receive the removal of their sins. Only those who receive grace through faith in Jesus have their sins removed. While sufficient for all only those accepting the grace get itt.

Yes, I'm fully aware of what you asked. But I'm sticking to my former response and waiting for you to address that before we move on.

And you're incorrect above. I didn't change that. I said they cannot perceive the Kingdom of God. You're the one who went on into "hear" brother. At the very least you're conflating hearing the Gospel with perceiving or seeing the Kingdom of God. I didn't change anything, you're not following along which is partly my fault.

I'll be glad to answer your question if we can stay on track because you're talking past me right now.

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It is obvious to the casual observer that you that you fail to have researched the quinquarticular controversy. That both Calvinism and Armenianism have lengthy arguments for each of their positions. Here for your edification is more information about the Biblical evidence for both. Since you reject Calvinism you should easily refute the Biblical reasoning in the web site site of the Canons of Dort defending it. Refute away. Methinks you will have great difficulty. Going back to the creeds.
1. They define what a Christian must believe.
2. Anything contrary is heresy.
3. Every Biblical issuer outside is agree to disagree.

Guess where the Calvinism vs Arminianism fits. Oops! Agree to disagree. Have fun trying to refute either side. Please read the Biblical defense of both.

Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points

Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints

Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace

For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,

https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html

Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages

There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.

Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate

Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm

Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/

ArmEnia. <----- Hint: This is a link. Click it.

Do you think Jacobus ArmInius is from there? (He's the guy that this false doctrine came from).

Being sealed with that holy spirit of promise does not equate to being regenerated. After they had been given the Holy Spirit in regeneration, they were sealed ( confirmed), which is the earnest (pledge - down payment) of their inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession (heaven). Regeneration occurs before hearing, trusting and believing in spiritual things. No Holy Spirit (which is given in regeneration = being born of the Spirit) no spiritual discerning.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever "BELIEVETH" (present tense) not "WILL BELIEVE" future tense. That would make it the "WORLD OF BELIEVERS". The natural man cannot discern (believe) spiritual things, only the regenerated, born of the Spirit believers. Saved means delivered in Greek. You need to rightly divide the salvation scriptures then you would understand "saved before getting saved".

Help, he's falling . . . into error . . . and can't git up!

I call 'em Armynians because they is so many of the idjits!

That Christ suffered the uttermost penalty of sin for every soul every born on this world is the justification for each unsaved sinner to pay the uttermost for his sins in an eternal lake of fire. The wages of SIN is death. SIN is singular. Each SIN is punished by death. Multiplied a mans sin at 1 sin per day for one year is 365 death penalties, times ten tears is 3,650 sentences of death times 7 years (total of 70 year life span) is 25,550. And that is for only ONE SIN PER DAY. In reality, how many times does the typical man sin in a 24-hour span? By the end it is millions of death sentences that can only be paid for in the Lake of Fire . . . but there will be no end . . . there is no end of sin with man.

Yet Jesus Christ on Calvary paid for every single one of my sins PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE and I am free from the Law and it's penalty of death!!!

There will be a lot of 'If only's" uttered in the Lake of Fire.

Yep, that was me.

Now, when you answer the above I will answer your question about the elect only hearing, but not until then.

I was quite clear, and so is John 3:3, no person can see (perceive) the Kingdom of God until they are born again. You've gone into whether people can hear THE GOSPEL or not other than the elect.

But, I can understand why you don't want to answer the above "quote" of mine you've used. I'd like you to answer what I actually stated instead of moving on to something else and wanting an answer to that as if you never saw what I said. So, one more time, answer the above, then I will most gladly answer your other question. Thank you.

Answering questions go beyond their programming . . . they only answer they have is "You are a hateful, hateful, hateful, hateful . . . "

Rejecting or not rejecting, neither is the cause of their eternal deliverance. otherwise, it would be eternal salvation by works of man.

It happens as God opens their ears to hear. No one is regenerated without hearing it, the word of God.