The End of a Nation

I am using a Samsung android tablet with the Chrome browser. Going to the mnmasons site it gets an allergic reaction warning me it is a bad site that might allow infections and illegal monitoring to get credit information. Therefore I suggest you avoid that site. You might want to virus scan your computer. I hope you already have good Malware protection. If not you probably are infected. I have over 40 years working for a company and spent the last 31 years in customer support. I became a computer hardware and software guru along with 2 other employees. I traveled the country and world installing, teaching, and repairing the systems my telemetry company sold. That included all equipment including the computers.

So when I give you warning about computer infections you should take note.

I myself used to worship Mary, I was a Baptized , confessed, Confirmed catholic once but I've repented. And a new life began.

Side stepping the issue with the fallacious red herring attack. I talked about the character of George Washington and you bring in non Christian religions and say it didn't make a difference. You do this on a Christian site. Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing? That is what I get from your sequence of posts here. Why are you on a Christian web site?

The early elders created the creeds. Do you adhere to them?

Read it on Bing and copied the link because I knew somone would question the source.

He was very private about religion. Information about his religious views come from family and close friends.
Calibob said he doesn't worship them either.

As I just posted his family and close friends tell about his Christian views. That is how they were made public. Calibob seems to want to nitpick when he ranted about was Presbyterian any better than Baptists etc. Back then all denominations were preaching the gospel message. Not like today with all major denominations served by secular ministers. Go to a Presbyterian USA church and see if you hear anything about Jesus. In Washington's time all denominations preached the gospel message so him being a Presbyterian meant he adhered to the gospel message!!

Why are you on a Christian site just causing dissension here? That seems to be your methodology!!

People and religious organizations have take worship of the Lord and turned it into worship of traditions, organizations and rules. I take no oaths and abide by no laws that weren't written in the new testament. Not by the council of Nicaea, the Pope, Luther , Calvin, Westley. (I do like General Booth of the Salvation Army) The Ecumenical Council, The Vatican, Billy Graham or any other person or thing not written since Amen from Revelations. Christian is not my political party. I very strongly resent the idea that it should be. I'm a former bleeding heart Social Worker type recovery worker. I'm am Christian. Salvation and helping others is most important to me.

My methodology is that it is our job is to help others. Love the unlovely. Help others and worship only the Lord only..

So can you expound on this...he rent his clothes (Jewish trend for anger). This is new to me. Thank you.

I agree with nearly every word. But just allow me to interject. Greed, ego and power have always affected every national decision since at least the invention of the printing press and the manufacture of currency, deeds and other things that can be bartered as money. We went down the rabbit hole with the federal reserve bank and @Deade is certainly is correct a revival is most likely the only save this nation. Now for my 2c; Not by bickering and choosing political sides. The Devil, yes Satan would love nothing better than to have us choose sides against each other and do his work for him. "Choose ye today who ye shall serve. As for me and my house, we choose the Lord."

Hahaha @you thinking everyone knew that. Not me, I have still so much to learn. But thanks to you, I'll be able to chalk up another nugget of information. I appreciate your taking the time to do that search. Shame on me Deade, I should've done it. I find that peculiar, I think I need more hebrew understanding as to why that expression was used to express anger.

I get very tired of the nothing but the Bible or in your case the New Testament. I guess you ignore the Old Testament. With your dissertation I guess you don't belong to any church. All churches and denominations have a statement of doctrine explaining their views on a range of different views of issues in the Bible. Therefore you can't allow yourself to be under these doctrinal statements.

You like others pushing this idiocy never consider the historical use of the creeds. Before the printing press bibles were rare and very expensive. It took a scribe months to copy the Bible one letter at a time. They used a pointer on the original copy and copied that letter to the copy. When leaving the table for any reason they would leave that marker in the next letter to be copied. After it was copied there were a variety of tests that were done. 1 was counting to the middle letter and comparing the 2 documents. If any test didn't pass the copy was destroyed.

Therefore creeds and memorized scriptures were used to spread the gospel message. As I have asked repeatedly is there anything non Biblical in the creeds. No one has come up with anything. Especially since the creeds are what a person has to believe to be a Christian and anything contrary is heretical. Many gospel preaching denominations start their service with the congregation repeating the Apostles Creed.

The creeds have been perverted to a chant. People just repeat them often mindlessly. Do you have any clue how many prayers I've mindlessly recited in 11 years of Catechism and Catholic school before I learned how to pray to a God that hears me for real?
I don't discount the teachings, wisdom of the old testament but turn them over to the sermon on the mount. The law was our curse and Satan our accuser and Jesus paid our price in his blood. The law can still be a trap and lucifer is still our accuser DON'T GET IT TWISTED, It's not over.

Go take a long walk on a short pier. About all you are good for. We have the original texts of the creeds from various very old documents and fragments of documents close to the time they were written. It becomes very obvious you are ignorant about the massive amount of manuscripts and fragments from close to that era. I am talking about protestant churches that believe the Biblical document stating what a Christian must believe is important enough to be emphasized every Sunday morning service. Catechisms are totally different. The Presbyterian PCA church uses the Westminster Catechism as it's basic doctrinal statement. I defy you to point out anything not Biblical about the Apostles Creed or the Westminster Catechism. Have fun trying. Also you never stated where the Catholic Catechism is in error. You just love to rant your hatred of them.

I see the error after rereading it and think it is correct. I post and a bit later I see the error later. That is unfortunately the way my mind works. It is frustrating. At 74 my mind isn't as sharp as it used to be.

mindless chanting is older than Christianity and works well as a brainwashing technique. Prayer from the heart to God matters way more than tradition.

You seem to love the lies you tell. It isn't mindless chanting. The creeds are what a person must believe for salvation. That is why memorization is needed. Using that and selected verses a person can tell an unbeliever the gospel message. I guess you hate spreading the gospel message.