Why Do Christians Ignore Most of the Old Testament Rules?

Try to understand this time. I observe the seventh day, and I have confessed this. But I do not bring it u, it is the threads and the posts to which I respond and I make reference to it, just as you have brought it up.

It is not a law for me to observe the seventh day, it is simply the day God designated for rest with Him as a gift to all who will receive it.

It is obvious you do not have the capacity to understand this, rather you wuld call me a "KSabath Keeper." I do not even know what yu are talking about. It is not an obligation for me, it is a gift for me and for all.

As for denying Paul, you are denying him by making issue of what day I prefer, since he teaches it is just fine......learn your Bible and Paul because if yo truly knew what Paul says, you would know that he says the same as I have...

Now tryi not to lose it and send more offensive posts because I do not come here excludively to address you or your cohorts.

I am praying for you and will continue.....until you are better please try not to misinterpret more posts of me or others because you are being disruptive. YOu probably are not aware of it, so perhaps you should pray on this subject..

well that is not true. here are a few things you have actually stated regarding Paul

post 10 in this thread


The tone of your question is inquisitoriaql at best.

Would you have me reject the teaching directly from God in favor of Paul only?

I read Paul's letters almost daily, but when I want solid answeres I rely only on Jesus because Paul can confuse a glass of water…...tell me how you understand all of his letters because they contradict each other over and over, thus I go to the Rock.
[/QUOTE] post 40 in this thread

the thread 'Am I wrong?' is actually very revealing of what you and another well known law/Sabbath keeper in this forum

I don't say things falsely yet you try to say that I do. I have said you deny Paul..and you do. I myself asked you that and it is in one of the threads here, but having found a few of your responses to others regarding what Paul writes, is just as good

your interpretation of the gospel is painful to say the least and terribly confusing at worst.

so continue to deny what you do here and how you falsely accuse people here and continue to create red herrings and ad hominum attacks veiled in pious language like you do here

it is obvious you wish to hide the fact you do not accept a huge part of the New Testament which reflects in your mashup of both the old and new

no one here places Paul above Christ..that is just another thing you say and it is untruthful

I'd be careful of saying you will pray for someone because your motive does not appear to be loving or sincere

Animus does not live in the heart that swells with the love of Christ. I join you in your prayers that that one find peace. Amen.

Isn't it tragic that someone imagines "Sabbath Keeper" is an insult?
You owe no one, especially those filled with animus for God's day of rest he created for us, an explanation for why your heart and mind doth rest on Sabbath day.
I join you in your prayers for that one, among the few here, who are far removed from the light of Christ. We know them by their words. Praise God those appear so that we may hold them in the hope God means them to hear and come to him through the son. If not, may our prayers protect us from what comes next. Amen.

Praying for you.
Amen.

Praise God, amen.

here is the actual op once again (above). it should be noted that the posts of those who agree with the op, which I do, are actually in keeping with the topic and those who disagree with the op, really have no place in telling other posters they are disruptive or whatever

the thread is NOT about how to keep the Sabbath or the law, but is OPPOSED to those things

with an eye to the actual topic, here are some things to note regarding why Christians are NOT under obligation to keep either the law (and remember there are actually 613 of them and not just 10) or other aspects of the covenant God made with Israel



The Sabbath and the New Covenant
The church today is not under God’s covenant with Israel as epitomized by the Ten Commandments, but under the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Romans 7:5-6; Galatians 3:23-35; 4:21-31). As a result, the church no longer observes the physical signs and ceremonies of the old covenant, such as circumcision (Galatians 6:15). God and His Word are unchanging, but some of His commands relate only to certain people or a certain time. While God’s moral law never changes, Christians are not subject to the ceremonial law of the Old Testament (Mark 7:14-19; Acts 11:5-9; 15:1-29).

The Jewish Sabbath was part of that ceremonial law; the Sabbath is not inherently moral. In Isaiah 1:10-20 God contrasted ceremonial observances-including blood sacrifice, feasts, and Sabbaths-with moral standards, saying He detested the Israelites’ keeping of the former because they did not live up to the latter.

If Sabbath keeping were a universal, eternal moral duty, God would not have expressed displeasure with it under any circumstances. Similarly, Jesus compared the Sabbath to other ceremonial law, which could be superceded even under the old covenant in cases of higher moral need (Matthew 12:1-13). Jesus and Paul affirmed the moral law of the Old Testament; they referred to some of the Ten Commandments as stating eternal moral standards, but it is notable that they did not mention the Sabbath law in these references (Mark 10:19; 12:28-31; Romans 13:8-10)

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The above claim is a lie.

Since I posted this OP this is the OP on first page so that no Christian may be deceived.

The OT laws are typically a topic that comes up in most Bible forums. This article brings out some very good points when we ask ourselves this question today.
Blessings.



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Reading through the Old Testament can be a jarring experience, even for Christians. The early Bible is practically brimming with commands and laws which sound contrary to Christ’s message today. Do you enjoy eating shrimp? Sorry, that’s against the rules (Leviticus 11:10). Not a fan of beards? Well that’s just too bad (Leviticus 19:27). Showing off your new tattoo? You ought to be ashamed (Leviticus 19:28)!

To someone outside the Church, it looks as though Christians are cherry-picking which verses they want to follow. That’s why author and theologian J.D. Greer believes it’s necessary for Christians to educate themselves on the three categories of Old-Testament law. In a recent blog post he writes,
“One of the most helpful ways to think about this is to look at the types of laws there are in the Old Testament. The 16th-century Reformer John Calvin saw that the NT seemed to treat the OT laws in three ways. There were Civil Laws, which governed the nation of Israel, encompassing not only behaviors, but also punishments for crimes. There were Ceremonial Laws about ‘clean’ and ‘unclean’ things, about various kinds of sacrifices, and other temple practices. And then there were the Moral Laws, which declared what God deemed right and wrong—the 10 Commandments, for instance.”
“For OT Israel, all three types of laws blended together. Breaking a civil or a ceremonial law was a moral problem; conversely, breaking a moral law had a civil (and often ceremonial) consequence. But they only went hand-in-hand because Israel was in a unique place historically, as both a nation and a worshiping community. ‘Separation of church and state’ wasn’t one of their core tenets. That’s not the case for the Church today, so the way we view the Law would have to look different.”

Greer goes on to argue that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the purpose of the law (Matthew 5:17). By this, he means that the original laws pointed toward God and his design for humanity. Jesus now serves as a living embodiment of both law and grace, allowing us to put aside the Civil and Ceremonial laws of Israel. This traditional approach is shared by the majority of Biblical scholars, including men such as Dr. Roger Barrier, who writes,
“Like many of the Ten Commandments, prohibitions against stealing and adultery and coveting transcend time and space. Jesus fulfilled the moral law by His perfect righteousness. Every commandment He obeyed. Every requirement He met. He lived up to every standard. He died for it on the cross...”
“In considering which parts of the Old Testament we can ignore and which we keep, we must delve into the concept of cultural differences. Many of the Laws are not applicable for us. We must compare their culture to ours in order to have good application.”

Instead of avoiding the complex subject of Old Testament laws, Christians should embrace the chance to study their faith. The world expects us to have answers when they start probing our beliefs, and it’s vital that believers be ready to speak the word of God with conviction. So don’t be afraid to read books like Leviticus and Deuteronomy, they’re just the beginning of God’s great story.
*Published 4/5/2016

God gave us many covenants, not just two. Two of them are very important. One important one tells us how we can collect blessings for ourselves in this life. The other tells us of the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Fixed it for you.

This is a forum and although we should remain on topic, we are taken off topic with related themes at times. Just as some here will take anything they can to bring up the law, grace, sabbath, diviorce, homosecuals, and more...……..

It is perfectly normal for anyone who is in a thread for a while to respond to something direct at him by those who bring up another subject...actually there is no real harm in this as long as all are kind.

actually it was an honest mistake

someone tapped my shoulder, since I have you on ignore, and provided an alternate op to the one I mistakenly quoted

I can honestly state I prefer my 'mistaken' version

oh well. back on ignore so I don't see your screaming at everyone

I find your picture of Jesus (that is Jesus I guess?) in the lotus position not in keeping with Christian beliefs

spirituality does not reflect Christianity

millions consider themselves spiritual but that does not make a person a Christian

Coz it says women must keep silent?

Yes, I know you have me on ignore. You put me there, thank you for that, after I addressed your false remarks concerning a Christian's post that you then proceeded to attack. Based not on their actual writing but on your own invention. I told you you should work more on your reading comprehension and less on your predisposition to cutting remarks against a person. Not my exact words, but they apply here as well as you are a serial offender.




Christians are well aware of the scriptures that pertain to Jesus meditating. Your criticism means you are not aware of that.

• Jesus Meditated
• 26 Bible Verses about Meditation

Perhaps quieting your mind would bring you peace. And so that you then stop feeling the compulsion to share what is inside you as offenses against Christians.

Psalm 1:2
But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.
Verse Concepts


Let me assist your misunderstanding as you avoid responsibility for your false claim about my post to your lie concerning the OP.
Bold print is not screaming.

Discussion forum screaming occurs when someone capitalizes their remarks. That has always been what constitutes screaming in a forum. Your false accusation does not make my remarks to suddenly change to your preferred inroad of false attack again.
Bold print makes a statement or word stand out so as to garner attention to its importance.

Furthermore, thank you for setting me on ignore. I would do the same in return but one must police those of ill intent so that the faithful are protected.
As a matter of fact in reading threads, there is no excuse for your false claim concerning the OP. It was not an honest mistake. All posts in a thread are numbered in order of appearance.
You would know very well that the OP post would be post #1. Any post not #1 is not the OP post.
Members here who are aware of forum protocols know that. Even if they are not aware of that , they can count.

I'm certain that someone that gave you a tap will give you another concerning this post.
Still praying for you. And this forum while you go back and forth across the BDF seeking members to attack.

Yeah......ummmm...No idea what you are talking about as I made a valid and truthful point...so.....what is your point exactly!?!?!?

perhaps a rephrasing of the (corrected ) op should be 'why do so many who call themselves Christian insist on presenting what Christ did not die for as the new covenant?'


Other New Testament passages also show that Sabbath keeping is not a requirement of the new covenant. It is permissible to regard a certain day as special, but it is wrong to make it a moral duty for oneself or others. “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it…. Let us not therefore judge one another any more” (Romans 14:5-6, 13). “How turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain” (Galatians 4:9-11).

Jesus observed the Sabbath because He was a Jew living under the old covenant. For the same reason, He was circumcised and observed the Jewish feast days. At the same time, Jesus claimed to be the Lord of the Sabbath, indicating that He could apply or change it as He saw fit (Mark 2:28).

At first, Jewish Christians apparently kept the Sabbath as part of their culture. In Acts 10-11Peter and the Jewish church were still adhering to Jewish dietary laws for the same reason. In Acts 21 Paul underwent a Jewish purification ceremony, which included a Temple offering, in order to reassure Jews that he was not trying to destroy their culture. He also attended synagogues often in order to preach to Jews. But in Acts 15 the Jerusalem Council ruled that Gentile Christians did not have to keep the law of Moses, except for four items that they listed in a letter to all the Gentile churches. Significantly, the Sabbath was not one of them.

Some people point to the creation story as proof that the Sabbath law is eternal. God “ended his work” of creation and “rested” on the seventh day; moreover, He “blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it” (Genesis 2:2-3). When God gave the Ten Commandments, He cited this precedent as justification for the Sabbath law (Exodus 20:11; 31:17).

Since Genesis was one of the five books of the law originally written for Israel, the creation story was naturally used to support the Sabbath command to Israel. While the Genesis account indicates the need for a weekly day or rest, it does not command Sabbath observance as such. The Bible nowhere states that people before the law observed the Sabbath as a day of rest or worship. Moreover, due to many changes in calendars over the centuries it is impossible to say that the seventh day of Genesis 2 is the modern Saturday.

We should also note that the Bible nowhere indicates that the Sabbath has been changed to Sunday or that God intends for Sunday to be a new Christian Sabbath.

It should be pointed out that few persons keep the Sabbath law today. In order to do so, a person could not perform any work or light a fire. Thus he could not use any type of stove, heater, internal combustion engine, or electricity. Moreover, he could not cause anyone else to violate the Sabbath, which he would do if he ate in a restaurant or used utilities, the telephone, or the radio.
Worship on Sunday
Christians are to be faithful to local church meetings whenever they are held (Hebrews 10:25), and any day is appropriate for a special spiritual observance (Romans 14:5-6).

From the earliest times, Christians have usually conducted their main worship services on Sunday. Early believers chose the day of Christ’s resurrection to emphasize that they were not under the old covenant, which the Sabbath symbolized, but under the new covenant, which His resurrection instituted. Thus the believers at Troas met on the first day of the week for worship (Acts 20:7), and Paul instructed the Corinthians to collect offerings on the first day (I Corinthians 16:2). John was “in the Spirit on the Lord’s day” when Jesus appeared to him in a vision (Revelation 1:10).

Jesus Himself established the precedent of meeting on the first day. Not only did He first appear to His assembled disciples on the evening of His resurrection day (John 20:19), but His next appearance to the group was on the same day one week later (John 20:26). (“After eight days” is reckoned in the ancient Jewish manner, counting both the starting and ending day.). And the Holy Spirit fell on the assembled disciples on Pentecost Sunday.

Sunday was a normal work day in the pagan Roman Empire, so Christians usually met on the day in the early morning or in the evening. After Emperor Constantine made Christianity legal and then began supporting it, he proclaimed Sunday an official holiday. He did not originate Sunday worship but merely legalized and facilitated the existing practice. However his action did encourage the view that Sunday was a new Christian Sabbath.
Spiritual Application
From the Sabbath law we can draw a principle of enduring importance and continuing application: the need to provide a time of rest for our bodies and our spirits. In addition, Colossians 2:16-17 speaks of a deeper significance, describing the Sabbath as a type of foreshadowing of a greater reality to be found in Christ. Like the Levitical sacrifices, the Sabbaths are fulfilled in Him.

In other words, the Sabbath points to be spiritual rest that Jesus promised. “Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden,” He invited, “and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Matthew 11:28-30). Significantly, in the passage immediately after this statement, Jesus indicated that the Sabbath law was ceremonial in nature and asserted His lordship over it (Matthew 12:1-13).

It is specifically through the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the initial sign of speaking in tongues that we partake of the spiritual rest Christ provides. Isaiah 28:11-12 promises, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing.”

The Apostle Peter apparently alluded to this promise when he preached in Acts 3:19, “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.” The last clause of this verse describes the gift of the Holy Spirit, as shown by Acts 2:38, a parallel statement from anther sermon of Peter’s: “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”

We also receive sanctification, or power to separate from sin and identify with Christ, through the indwelling Holy Spirit (I Thessalonians 2:13; I Peter 1:2). Just as the physical Sabbath provided physical rest and sanctification for the Israelites under the old covenant, so the indwelling Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Jesus Christ, provides spiritual rest and sanctification for the church under the new covenant. Just as the Sabbath was a constant reminder of Israel’s deliverance from bondage and of their covenant relationship with God, so the Holy Spirit is a constant reminder of our deliverance from sin and of our new covenant relationship with God. The Spirit gives us power over sin (Acts 1:8; Romans 8:4), and the Spirit effects the new covenant in our hearts (II Corinthians 3:3; Hebrews 8:8-11). By living in the Spirit, we enjoy the true Sabbath every day.

The enduring significance of the Sabbath is beautifully described in Hebrews 3:7-4:11. Because of their unbelief, the Israelites did not enter into the rest that God provided for them, but the church today still has a promise of spiritual rest. And according to Hebrews 4:4, this spiritual rest is the true and ultimate fulfillment of God’s rest on the seventh day of creation.

Hebrew’s 4:9 states emphatically, “There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.” The word rest here a translation of the Greek word sabbatismos, which literally means a Sabbath keeping or a Sabbath rest (Thayer). Does this verse refer to physical Old Testament Sabbath observance? No. The next verse states that our Sabbath consists of resting , or ceasing, from our works, just as God did from His (Hebrew 4:10). In other words, to enjoy true spiritual rest, we must renounce the works of the flesh and stop trying to earn salvation by our own works. Instead, we must exercise faith in Christ’s work on our behalf. Through faith, we receive His Holy Spirit and live daily by the Spirit’s guidance and power. The Spirit works in us to regenerate and sanctify, thus preparing us for the eternal Sabbath rest.

Of course, true faith is not passive; it is an active reliance upon God that issues forth in obedience. Thus Hebrews 4:11 admonishes, “Let us labour (be diligent, make every effort) therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.”

Yes, we have a Sabbath rest-the refreshing presence and sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit that we enjoy every day. And, yes, the ultimate Sabbath rest awaits us still-eternal rest in the presence of the One to whom the Old Testament Sabbath points: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Excerpted from David K. Bernard, The Apostolic Life (Hazelwood, MO; Word Aflame Press, © 2006)
I'm not Apostolic but I thought the article applied itself well to the op (corrected)

same source as the other and actually the 2nd half of the article

sigh

not addressing you at all dcon

I do not disagree with your POV

I made an error because I have the actual op on ignore

so I was called a liar and all the usual rhetoric pronounced by her on other members here

No you didn't. You made your own post and falsely attributed it to a different member.

Any time a member of the body of Christ finds themselves under attack for observing the Sabbath remember, God created the Sabbath for you. Those opposed are unaware. Pray for them. But do not let them move your heart from our Lord's leading you to rest on the day he made for you.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus was God. And his name would be Immanuel meaning, God with us. Jesus never stated the Sabbath day was no longer to be recognized nor honored. Jesus

The Christian has the mind of Christ. Any Christian who feels compelled to honor God and take advantage of that day God made for them , has every right to do so as it is in keeping with Jesus words.

Those who cast aspersions against that choice are the one's that should be scrutinized for their commitment against Jesus teachings. Jesus never once decreed Sunday was a day of worship. Sabbath was the day of worship. Jesus never revoked the importance of that day. For as we're told, they are laid naked before God's sight in making that effort.While God knows his own.

Sabbath Scriptures

Hebrews 4
4 Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had [a]good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because [b]it was not united by faith with them that heard. 3 [c]For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said,
[d][e]As I sware in my wrath,
[f]They shall not enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, [g]And God rested on the seventh day from all his works; 5 and in this place again,
[h][i]They shall not enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter there into, and they to whom [j]the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before),
[k]To-day if ye shall hear his voice,
Harden not your hearts.
8 For if [l]Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. 11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall [m]after the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Having then a great high priest, who hath passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore draw near with boldness unto the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and may find grace to help us in time of need.
Footnotes:

1. Hebrews 4:2 Or, a gospel
2. Hebrews 4:2 Many ancient authorities read they were.
3. Hebrews 4:3 Some ancient authorities read We therefore.
4. Hebrews 4:3 Ps. 95:11.
5. Hebrews 4:3 Or, So
6. Hebrews 4:3 Greek If they shall enter.
7. Hebrews 4:4 Gen. 2:2.
8. Hebrews 4:5 Ps. 95:11.
9. Hebrews 4:5 Greek If they shall enter.
10. Hebrews 4:6 Or, the gospel was
11. Hebrews 4:7 Ps. 95:7f.
12. Hebrews 4:8 Greek Jesus. Compare Acts 7:45.
13. Hebrews 4:11 Or, into. Greek in.

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Mark 2:27
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."


(After Jesus' crucifixion and his being laid to rest in the tomb)
Luke 23:56
Then they returned and prepared spices and ointments. On the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.