(poll) Do We Choose Him or Does he choose us?
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I wanted to put an Excellent on this post but then I realized that It Is an Excellent response because I understand It but when you say only Christians have free will I realized that It wouldn't be fair to non Christians,I would prefer to say that those who are non Christians would have to recognize that although they would delight In the law of GOD they would see another law warring against the law of their mind and bringing them Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In their flesh.
Paul wrote that the law was good but he Is carnal.
Nevertheless the person has a rite to choose but they would need to call on GOD.
Paul wrote that the law was good but he Is carnal.
Nevertheless the person has a rite to choose but they would need to call on GOD.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Now, those words came from Christ Himself. Those are the words we quote when we share the gospel with others. World and whosoever. So He loves us all. We were all given a gift. Only some of us will believe in Him. I also think that God doesn't hate anyone. I think He hates what we do and He hates sin. Yes...we will stand in judgement some day. No question about it. There is a heaven and there is a hell.
We are all in different places in our walk and personal relationship with our Lord. There are many denominations and they can't all be right about their doctrine....which is why we must discover the mysteries in God's word and I believe in the Power of the Holy Spirit for discernment.
I don't block my ears to what others have to say, so I will check out your suggestions and compare to the word.
God bless.
Now, those words came from Christ Himself. Those are the words we quote when we share the gospel with others. World and whosoever. So He loves us all. We were all given a gift. Only some of us will believe in Him. I also think that God doesn't hate anyone. I think He hates what we do and He hates sin. Yes...we will stand in judgement some day. No question about it. There is a heaven and there is a hell.
We are all in different places in our walk and personal relationship with our Lord. There are many denominations and they can't all be right about their doctrine....which is why we must discover the mysteries in God's word and I believe in the Power of the Holy Spirit for discernment.
I don't block my ears to what others have to say, so I will check out your suggestions and compare to the word.
God bless.
Looks like the 'calvinists" have pulled ahead in the race to eternal life!
You cannot vanquish a Calvinist
.You may think you can, but you cannot. The stones of the great doctrines so fit into each other that the more pressure there is applied to remove them, the more strenuously do they adhere. And you may mark that you cannot receive one of these doctrines without believing all. C.H. Spurgeon
You cannot vanquish a Calvinist
.You may think you can, but you cannot. The stones of the great doctrines so fit into each other that the more pressure there is applied to remove them, the more strenuously do they adhere. And you may mark that you cannot receive one of these doctrines without believing all. C.H. Spurgeon
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God choose an elect people before the foundation of the world (Eph 1). He did not choose them because he could see by his foreknowledge who would choose him. (Ps 53:2-3). All people are born into this world by natural birth corrupt and dead in sins (spiritually dead). Eph 2:5 says that while they are "YET" dead in sins, he quickened us to a spiritual life. When we are yet dead in sins we have no desire to Choose God, in fact, 1 Cor 2:14 says that we cannot choose a spiritual God. 1 John 4:19 says we love him because he first loved us.
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George Whitefield said, "We are all born Arminians." It is grace that turns us into Calvinists”
"If any man ascribes anything of salvation, even the very least thing, to the free will of man, he knows nothing of grace, and he has not learned Jesus Christ rightly." Martin Luther
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
C. H. Spurgeon
"If any man ascribes anything of salvation, even the very least thing, to the free will of man, he knows nothing of grace, and he has not learned Jesus Christ rightly." Martin Luther
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
C. H. Spurgeon
For whom the Lord loveth, he chasteneth and scourgest every son he receiveth (Heb 12:6). If the Lord does not chasten someone, then we must conclude that he does not love them. Psalms 73:5 - They (the wicked) are not in trouble as other men; neither are they PLAGUED (divinely punished, according to Greek interpretation). In John 3:16, The whosoever BELIEVETH is 'present tense", not whosoever WILL BELIEVE which is future tense. So, it is the world of believers only, not the whole world of mankind. God says, "if they have not the Spirit, they are none of his".
God is not partial to any person as numerous scriptures indicate. Someone who believes the Lord chose people indiscriminately, in effect deny these scriptures posted below, and others about the Lords character.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Mark 12:14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Mark 12:14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Mark 12:27 - He is not the God of the DEAD, but the God of the LIVING; ye therefore do greatly err. There are no contradictions within the inspired word of God. If we think we see a contradiction, then we are not understanding the scriptures correctly. Matt 12:25 - I thank the O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou has hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. Do you think that this scripture is showing partiality? Do you think that God showed partiality with Jacob and Esau? Do you think that God is disrespectful to the natural man in 1 Cor 2:14 by not revealing spiritual things to him? God's elect are judged here in this world by the chastening rod of God. The rest are not judged here in this world, but will be judged at the last day. The scriptures are instructions from God to his children, on how he wants them to live there lives on earth. The scriptures are not written to those who have not the Spirit of God dwelling within them.
As the Lord is not a respecter of persons, and we are all guilty of sin; one then has to use common sense to reason why some the Lord predestined, while others He did not.
When looking at all mankind throughout the ages if the Lord without reason said this one I will predestine, and that one I won't; this would make His choice of those He would not predestine unjust. And since the Lord is just and fair, the Lord then had just cause for those whom He would predestine and those whom He would not.
When looking at all mankind throughout the ages if the Lord without reason said this one I will predestine, and that one I won't; this would make His choice of those He would not predestine unjust. And since the Lord is just and fair, the Lord then had just cause for those whom He would predestine and those whom He would not.