Jesus's sacrifice

In the bible it says that everyone will one day bow down to the Lord and acknowledge Him therefore there will be no atheist thrown in the lake of fire because at that point they will believe in the existence of God. In my view the atheist ends up with God.

Isaiah 53 <--IT PLEASED GOD it states....

This plan was set in motion before God even cast down the world.....and as many have stated above.....

Christ became a sin offering for us
Christ became a curse for us
Christ took our sin upon himself

and it is obviously clear that God momentarily forsook JESUS for a reason, and the reason being all the above references........

Remember what JESUS said to PETER when Peter lip flapped about JESUS not DYING.......Get behind me Satan........The will of the Heavenly Father was for JESUS to not only suffer, but also give up his life momentarily for the world......this he did and because of his faithfulness to the will of the Father he gets it ALL............

Please do no devalue the purpose and sacrifice of Christ...it was a most glorious death, burial and resurrection on our behalf.

In the bible it says that everyone will one day bow down to the Lord and acknowledge Him therefore there will be no atheist thrown in the lake of fire because at that point they will believe in the existence of God. In my view the atheist ends up with God.

Isaiah 53 <--IT PLEASED GOD it states....

The sins that come from mankind, jealousy, hatred, false witness, murder, were inflicted on Jesus at the cross. And this Jesus endured for all mankind. He suffered for us all, not in place of us all.

Jesus was sinless, but condemned by man or, Jesus was sinless and condemned by God. The former is right, the latter is wrong.

So why should we live our lives believing in God, getting baptized, inviting others to become a part of God, obeying the 10 Commandments, etc...if we can be murderers, rapists, atheists, everything that opposes God (Satan worshipers) if we all end up in heaven?

Seems that I am wasting my time obeying Christ if I am going to get the same result.

This makes God, the prophets, anyone who spoke about hell all liars by claiming hell is real (gnashing of teeth/worm dieth not) - the mouth of hell growing larger daily - the rich man/Lazarus in Abraham's Bosom...because it claims hell will be cast into the Lake of Fire. And if sinners are in hell, they get tossed into the Lake of Fire by proxy of hell being tossed there.

Perhaps doing a study of the word "hell" would help you understand better.

I often hear people say that Jesus was looked at as sinful by his father when he was hanging on the cross, but I never see the bible saying God viewed his son like that. I see God always testifying of his son as holy, good, pure and righteous.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Mt.3:17

It seems to me the only way Jesus is ever thought of as sinful, is by false accusers and those who believed their lies.

They answered him, “If this man were not doing evil, we would not have delivered him over to you.” Jn.18:30

I already know hell generally means grave and the hell Peter spoke about (tartarus), is hell for the fallen angels who specifically disobeyed God even after being cast out. But Jesus spoke of a hell where there is gnashing of teeth and the worm dieth not. When you are dead, there is no ability to gnash your teeth in the grave. So this is obviously speaking of something other than the grave.

Hi...Could it be the Lake of fire ?...xox...

Yes it pleased the Father to bruise his Son, to put him to grief. Why? To exact vemgemce? No. It's because the faithful are bruised by the wicked for being true to God.

Jesus became a curse and had the sins of this world inflicted on him by the tongues of false witnesses who tortured and killed him and from the beginning God said,

you (Satan) shall bruise his heel. Gen.3:15

The truth is.

the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. 1Pe.3:12, Psa.34:15

No. Peter needed to learn death is not to be feared,

For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 1Pe.2:21

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 1Pe.4:1

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom.8:29

It's people who don't want to arm themselves with the mind of Christ, people who want to be made in the image Jesus is now (but not before), who devalue and dishonor our Saviors sacrifice.

Isaiah 53:4-6
Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities;
upon Him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with His stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned--every one--to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

this says "we esteemed Him stricken by God"
the question is, is this text saying we were correct in this, or were we wrong?

i am seeing a very direct connection between this and the question of whether God actually forsook Himself ((because Christ is also equally God)) on the cross.

when He sings the opening bar of Psalm 22 is He speaking of Himself or is He speaking as every one of us, whose iniquities He is laying upon Himself? if we are in Him and He takes our sin upon Himself, becoming sin for our sake, then isn't it by the very fact that He is glorified in this rather than abandoned by the Father, that we are preserved in Him, being given the gift of eternal life rather than the damnation we deserve?

if Christ is actually damned on the cross it seems to me that if i am in Him i suffer in Him the very same damnation. but if what "we esteemed" was wrong, and He is not stricken by God, then in Him i am forgiven - He bore my sin and this saves me because He, unlike me, cannot be forsaken by God - because He is in fact God and cannot deny Himself. to me, this is showing that He MUST be God; no one else could possibly bear my guilt and live.

i.e. the work of the cross is able to save if and only if Christ is God, and there is no salvation apart from Him; Yah and Yah alone is salvation

2 Corinthians 5:21.

John 10:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”


JOHN 19: NKJV

10 Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have [c]power to crucify You, and power to release You?”

11 Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

Even the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ is in debate nowadays.

Oy vey!

Dont even go there man. Thats the Gospel. If Jesus didnt die in our place, then thats game over. Put a fork in it! Its cooked!