Not By Works

Yup! I have noticed it in almost all denominations. They are also all crawling back to Rome.

I've seen the following denominations have representatives meet the Pope in those wicked ecumenical meetings:

Pentecostals
Reformed
Baptist
Methodist
Lutheran (YES LUTHERAN, the guys who started the reformation, looks like thats about done)
Orthodox
Anglican
Presbywhateveritwasian

Even MORMON representatives were present!

Its over! The few faithful remnants need to be separated from this crop and start their own independent churches!

At least he must be reading the word of God first to disagree...Who is he disagreeing with ? not us but GOD...xox...

Amen!!!! Also.....
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4 KJV

Habitual sinners that refuse to keep his Commandments does not have eternal life........ Eternal life is knowing him

Please do tell me what eternal life means? Im very interested to hear what you believe it means.
You are right, I only did look it up in two languages that I speak.

Unlike some here, i dont actually read, NOR speak greek. I can look things up in lexicons though and they match what I read in my english bible!

So knowing God equals eternal life, huh? Jesus says just that in John 10:26-27! Sheep know Jesus and Jesus knows the sheep! Yet those He casts to hell in Matthew 7:21-23 He says "I never knew you".
So those cast into hell didnt "stop knowing Jesus" (which would be losing eternal life) but rather Jesus never knew them.
And those sheep who DO have eternal life, surprise, have it eternally, since they know Jesus!

So I agree with John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus!

Oh and one more thing, I can prove my poitn from the greek, looks like it agrees with my peasant level english: https://biblehub.com/greek/166.htm

Look I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed. In fact I got no education whatsoever. If I see "no service" on my phone on a sunday walking to church im turning back thinking church is canceled! Thats how dumb I am.
But I can STILL look up words in the greek, and believe them in english,, and you have to do some mighty mental exercises to convince me that ETERNAL, everlasting, never-ending means something other than that. I am willing to listen if you want to try, but thats quite a task!

I couldn't agree more

So you believe that Peter had to get saved all over again after having a weak moment and temporarily falling away? Do you believe in multiple regenerations? Luke 22:32 (NASB) - but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” Peter needed to turn again to Jesus, away from his temporary falling away. That does not mean that Peter lost his salvation and ultimately, his faith did not fail.

The most important thing about eternal life is the noun which is "life". And real "life" is knowing Jesus Christ - who is the "life".

If eternal life was primarily "living forever" then we could say that unbelievers have eternal life when they burn in hell forever.

But many discussions on CC do just that to "eternal life" -- the primary interest or emphasis of "eternal life" is said to be "to live forever".

So if "eternal life" is primarily knowing Jesus, then is it possible to lose that? Back to our question: Is there a verse that says "ETERNAL LIFE cannot be lost, forfeited, walked away from, or misplaced"?

It seems to me to be the solution would be If saved always saved because the question is often were they ever really saved? We all agree the faith is the hinge but which is the door, works or grace? What do we have true faith in?

I don't trust that works will ever be good enough and grace is not a license to sin that would contradict the reason he has mercy on us. He want's us to love Him voluntarily and not at the end of a cattle prod. So I have faith in grace and in spite of my sinful flesh I want to please him thus his grace is sufficient for me. It helps me get over myself. I am not a parrot or a tape recorder. The true meaning of the gospel dwells within my circumcised heart.

Galatians ch. 3 vs 23 - 25:
23 "Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody," (like school children) "so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed."


24 "Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. 25 And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian." (We are now adults!)

I'd rather have the mind of an elder with the heart of a child than the heart of an elder with the mind of a child!

Who is teaching otherwise? 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep His commandments. BTW the Greek word for "keep" is "tereo" (Strong's #5083) which means to guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. It does not mean sinless, perfect obedience 100% of the time, as sinless perfectionists teach.

https://biblehub.com/greek/5083.htm

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.

Those who have come to know Him display the habit of keeping His commandments and do not practice sin as a willful, habitual lifestyle, with no effort or goal to stop. Those who are born of God practice righteousness and not sin (1 John 3:9-10 NASB).

Show me one Bible scholar that disagrees with my statement (except for you of course)

What do you think they meant when they ask Will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?

That's why his disciples had such a hard time when Jesus said he would be crucified and die......

I already covered that, througouhly!

Eternal life is knowing Jesus. OK!
Those who Jesus casts to hell He says "I never knew you" not "i used to know you"
To the sheep Jesus says they know Him and He knows them!

Therefore we can conclude, the sheep know Jesus, and are eternally secure. (I give them eternal life, they shall NEVER perish)

And yes there is a verse like that, here is an example:

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

And me being the poor o' uneducated gypsy only going by the english word eternal(its the same word in my native language too btw) as you mentioned. I decided to work my two remaining braincells and look up the word eternal in the greek, here are the three definitions:


1. without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be: Θεός, Romans 16:26 (ὁ μόνος αἰώνιος, 2 Macc. 1:25); πνεῦμα, Hebrews 9:14.

2. without beginning: χρόνοις αἰωνίοις, Romans 16:25; πρό χρόνων αἰωνίων, 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2; εὐαγγέλιον, a gospel whose subject-matter is eternal, i. e., the saving purpose of God adopted from eternity, Revelation 14:6.

3. without end, never to cease, everlasting: 2 Corinthians 4:18 (opposed to πρόσκαιρος); αἰώνιον αὐτόν, joined to thee forever as a sharer of the same eternal life, Philcmon 1:15; βάρος δόξης, 2 Corinthians 4:17; βασιλεία, 2 Peter 1:11; δόξα, 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Peter 5:10; ζωή (see ζωή, 2 b.); κληρονομία, Hebrews 9:15; λύτρωσις, Hebrews 9:12; παράκλησις, 2 Thessalonians 2:16;

So we got, without beginning or end, without beginning, without end.

That doesnt sound like something you can misplace or forget at the gas-station!

You can read more about the definitions and usage of the word here: https://biblehub.com/greek/166.htm

I believe I have PROVEN my point that! Does eternal life mean knowing Jesus as you quoted? YES! Who know Jesus? The sheep, to whom Jesus gives eternal life, who shall NEVER perish (not maybe perish).
I believe not only have I proven the case biblically, BUT also from your first line of defense which was "the greek", it looks like that greek argument backfired on you, since it supported what i said! I notice people try me on the GREEK often times. NOT A FAN of going back to the greek, but i have to do it OCCASIONALLY!

And the beat goes on...

Dcon

I don't believe Peter was "saved" at that point either. Was anyone saved before the Cross? It was Abraham's bosom that was the place in hell for the righteous. Hell was two parts. Wicked and the righteous with a great gulf in between.

He didn't lose salvation either. He was saved when he repented of his denial. That's the Spirit of Christ that Paul said unless we have we are none of His. The point where we are surrendered. Though I also believe we experience many surrenderings as we live in Him.

Salvation has brought men to heaven where we can be with God. In His Presence.

Your words prove it..namely the bolded....

Goodnewsman said:
You may want to let your OSAS friends on here know that you can't be a habitual sinner and be saved......that's exactly what I've heard on here continully

I asked for a verse that states "that ETERNAL LIFE cannot be lost, forfeited, walked away from, or misplaced?"

The only verse above that mentions "eternal life" is John 10:26-30 and verse 27 clearly says this is about sheep that are hearing Jesus' voice and who are knowing Him, and who are following Him. When verse 27 is true of a person, then verses 28-30 follow. If verse 27 is not true of a person, then verses 28-30 do not follow.

I am OK to disagree about definitions and understanding of eternal life. You may believe what you want about OSAS and I respect your beliefs. I am just a stickler that I will not believe and state a doctrine as what I believe unless it is clearly stated in Scripture.

You might want to restudy that.....especially when Peter confesses who JESUS is by the Spirit of GOD......These men were saved, immersed and CALLED OUT, organized and called THE church twice in the present tense....and DAVID speaks of HIS salvation in the present TENSE long before the cross........

There have always been issues and fallacies that needed to be corrected in the Lord's churches....such as

The Galatian assembly had some false teachers teaching that salvation was started by faith and finished by works

The Corinthinian assembly had some 15 errors

The church at Ephesus had a problem with LOVE even though it had an abundance of works

The church at Thessalonica had issues with the 2nd coming and believed they had missed it

and for sure....today we make the mistake of assuming that a church is a church just because it identifies as a church.......

Every promise of God is made conditional by reading into the text something! Eisegesis the pros call it!

John 10:27-28 the conditional security english translation from the original codex decepticus manuscripts:
My sheep hear my voice[maybe, if they choose to do so by free will], and I know them[unless they stop knowing me, or stop believing, or sin to much], and they follow me[unless they use their free will to stop following me]:
And I give unto them eternal life[maybe, if they live a good enough life and dont sin too much]; and they shall never perish[maybe, unless they apostate from the faith], neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand[except they themselves, they are excluded from the any man, since free will].

Looks like you guys are selling us DOUBT! 50% off!

So you agree then, habitual sinners don't have eternal life?

Eternal Life - Eternal - time that never ends Life - consciousness, the ability to choose and to express
Death - the ending of life, physically, spiritually
Could one have Eternal Life, a life that will never stop ( unless things change ), and then not?
We have life now. So is Eternal Life, our Life now going on eternally.

If Eternal Life is the promise God will not stop the life we have, then if this promise is removed we no longer
have Eternal Life. You could though only tell at the point life is taken from one.

So to establish this point in scripture you have to prove God is not just saying He is promising not to take life
away from the group who believe in His Son.