Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

Hmmm... So if we call Hinn, Bentley, Browne, Hagin etc... blasphemers, that makes us blasphemers, but you calling Macarthur a blasphemer is just fine and dandy? Macadam meet tire!

Oh the irony Penn Ed, baffles the mind

Thinking back how people would swarm when a member posted a devotional by Joseph Prince or Paul Ellis.
Yet the antics in that video are acceptable.
Apparently the function of the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth and to test the spirits is available on an "on call" basis only.

I got no problem calling out Hinn, Bentley, Hagin and the rest of the people.

Lets try to reason our way through this:

People are faking speaking in tongues(and other gifts) and/or its being done by hindus somewhere, that is why ALL gifts and tongues are no good.

You see how unreasonable that is? The fact that there are FAKERS does not mean there are no REAL ONES.

There is fake dollar bills, are we to conclude there are no real dollar bills around? Its all just fake.

I got no problem calling out Hinn, Bentley, Hagin and the rest of the people.

Lets try to reason our way through this:

People are faking speaking in tongues(and other gifts) and/or its being done by hindus somewhere, that is why ALL gifts and tongues are no good.

You see how unreasonable that is? The fact that there are FAKERS does not mean there are no REAL ONES.

There is fake dollar bills, are we to conclude there are no real dollar bills around? Its all just fake.

Slow down there Turtle!

Just because I may post a quote or say something about a particular Pastor doesn't mean I agree on everything with that Pastor.

You will not be able to find a post of mine where I claim gifts are inactive or no good.

The problem is, VERY few who believe in tongues and gifts call out the fakes. And I'm not so sure they are all fake. Some of those guys are operating with a spirit not from the Lord.

But I haven't said ALL tongues or gifts are fake.

Slow down there Turtle!

Just because I may post a quote or say something about a particular Pastor doesn't mean I agree on everything with that Pastor.

You will not be able to find a post of mine where I claim gifts are inactive or no good.

The problem is, VERY few who believe in tongues and gifts call out the fakes. And I'm not so sure they are all fake. Some of those guys are operating with a spirit not from the Lord.

But I haven't said ALL tongues or gifts are fake.

Amen bro

Thats the problem.

You call out a fake. And they take is as an attack, Instead of agreeing, and say yes, People like that give us a bad name

Instead, they attack us.. .

Okay.......Mr. Turtle what is the real one and how does one discern it?

I would think it is difficult to know the fake from the real when it comes to speaking in languages, probably nearly impossible unless there was someone in the audience who knew all 7097 different languages.

Interesting if one stops speaking in "glossolalia" it must not have been the real thing.

So much irrational thing around this whole topic.

Slow down there Turtle!

Just because I may post a quote or say something about a particular Pastor doesn't mean I agree on everything with that Pastor.

You will not be able to find a post of mine where I claim gifts are inactive or no good.

The problem is, VERY few who believe in tongues and gifts call out the fakes. And I'm not so sure they are all fake. Some of those guys are operating with a spirit not from the Lord.

But I haven't said ALL tongues or gifts are fake.

You discern all the gifts by the same meter. Its the person behind it

If its all about tithing tithing and more tithing and private jets and worldliness and carnality, you know you're dealing with a devil masquerading as a servant of righteousness.

If its about glorifying Christ and obedience to Him and if the man is obedient to the Lord thats how you know this man is used by God.

Yes. Repeating the same point time and time again does not add to a discussion when
the audience know this point of view. Exploring it in different ways certainly helps.

But if ones mind is stuck, what else can one do. I remember one forum member could
only repeat scripture to express an idea, because it had not grown further in their mind.

I got no problem calling out Hinn, Bentley, Hagin and the rest of the people.

Lets try to reason our way through this:

People are faking speaking in tongues(and other gifts) and/or its being done by hindus somewhere, that is why ALL gifts and tongues are no good.

You see how unreasonable that is? The fact that there are FAKERS does not mean there are no REAL ONES.

There is fake dollar bills, are we to conclude there are no real dollar bills around? Its all just fake.

Interesting connection.

Todd Bentley and his excesses were regarded as just errors of an man of God who can be restored.
Sounds very similar to the free grace group who hold sin is commited all the time but God has
forgiven it all, so no worries, it is evil to point out these sins as this creates condemnation.

It is why I used to think the free grace group were linked to Todd etc group but obviously not.

It probably is prety important, at least to some,

But is the op right, that all who do this have been cursed forever with no hopes of repentance?

So we take a Scripture about Jesus gathering little children in his arms and blessing them and we somehow make that mean God hugs us? I like hugs. I'm sure you like hugs. The issue isn't God loving us. That is not a subject of debate. You may have had the experience of being hugged. I am not going to debate your experience. I'm simply saying it doesn't appear in Scripture. Experiences are subjective. The Bible is objective. Aside from the Scripture what do we use to gauge whether an experience is from God? Do we gauge it by the amount of goose bumps we feel? Do we gauge the experience by the warmth we feel? What is the standard to judge the experience if not Scripture? As an old preacher said, 'if it aint in that blessed book. I aint buying it.'