Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

What is your understanding of the word spirit? what part of us is spirit? or what part of us connects with spirit?

2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

How can a Christian whos "sins" were "for all time" forgiven on the day they were baptized ever be found with a spot, or with blame?

Is it possible that there are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, UNTO their own destruction?

Why is anyone being told to be diligent at anything, isn't Jesus who is your rest, being diligent for you?


2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

How can a Christian whos "sins" were "for all time" forgiven on the day they were baptized ever be found with a spot, or with blame?

Yes you hate any mention of works I know that

It is very simple; They sin again....after repentance and baptism.
A falling away .....spoken of in Scriptures.... in many ways.

You are taking this out of context which is apostasy which is no longer holding to the faith, see the previous verses:

(Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit)

(Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. )

(Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.)

Falling away is not falling into sin.

Loving one another as commanded by God is our work IMO.

Matt 25:
31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

Do you believe it was Jesus who fed Himself through these people or do you believe these people voluntarily obeyed His (Christ's) command to love others?

My point is, Jesus can not be instructing us to hold on something and then run behind our backs to hold it up Himself. It is your job to hold up what you are supposed to hold up and that is faith otherwise you loose it.

I do not hate works. I love works look at my posts about works

I have to laugh at the fact you can’t answer my question though. It is telling

If it is their fault/weakness (those that fail to produce fruits) then it is also wise to say that those that produce fruits produce because of their strength.

Apart from Christ we can do nothing. Producing fruit is not automatic, but it’s also not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God.

Jesus says if we have useless faith we will be destroyed and burnt up. God bless you.

6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
John 15

I do not hate works. I love works look at my posts about works

I have to laugh at the fact you can’t answer my question though. It is telling

Agreed, faith accompanied with works and not faith alone.

You always do the right thing, dont you? Are you a hypocrite behind closed doors?. I judge what I see in OSAS gospel yes i have a right too.

To be honest I don't find what you have said above as very simple.

I can't connect in my mind they sin through to falling away.

Maybe expand it for me please.

Not sure what you mean.
Do you mean not faith alone to receive salvation or do you mean not faith alone when we are presenting our bodies a living sacrifice renewing our minds because I believe It Is faith alone through Grace alone to receive salvation but presenting our bodies a living sacrifice (renewing our minds) very well could require physical action?

Well then leave Dan corner alone, he is not even here to defend himself