Is unconditional election biblical?

not even close

make up your minds...either grace is irresistable or the Holy Spirit draws people

do you not understand how the Holy Spirit works?

my post:

drawing is the work of the Holy Spirit

now ask yourself why the Holy Spirit would have to DRAW someone to Jesus if God had already decided His irresistable grace would suffice

you cannot reconcile TULIP with the truth of the gospel

and God is not giving out trophies for it either
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maybe try to answer about what I referred to instead of trying to make it sound like I did not refer to scripture when I absolutely did

last time we had a little conversation, you stated you just want to talk about scripture ...so go for it

now is your chance

1 Cor 2: 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The passage in the context being in reference to the things not received by the natural man are things that God hath prepared to the believers. V9. These are foolishness unto him. But this does not teach that we are not to preach the Gospel to the lost. salvation is not in the context here but the deep things of God. Paul strived to preach the gospel not where Christ was named...and used plainness of speech as a demonstration of the Spirit and of power so the lost would understand and by the conviction of the Holy Spirit, the lost would response simply by faith.

Romans 15:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

1 Corinthians 2 King James Version (KJV)
2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

yet you defend Calvinism and say his way of viewing scripture is correct

well, Calvin is dead and the gospel is the same today as it was when it was written

you have made it plain you do not understand

Opinions shouldn’t make doctrine.

Do you think the drawing that the Spirit performs is different than the drawing God does?

Seems to me that what the reformed doctrine is referring to when it talks about 'irresistible grace' is exactly that, the drawing of the Father.

That's why i think it's weird that you would ask why God would bother drawing people if His drawing always accomplishes His purpose - it sounds like you are asking why bother doing something if doing exactly that something is literally your intention. So your comment sounds nonsensical to me. God does as He wills and drawing His own to Himself is His will

You think it's something else? You think deformed doctrine isn't talking about an irresistible drawing of God when it talks about the irresistible drawing of God?
Can you point me to some reformed sources that say otherwise?

What is so hard about understanding the concept of completing certain steps in order to gain salvation?

Its what the whole world thinks. Until they are Saved.

Some, even after they saved, apparently.

NO, no, no, no, no!

That is not what Calvinism teaches! Calvinism teaches GOD CHOSE THE CALVINIST!

Well the Philippian jailer asked this question of the apostles. What must I do to be saved? The answer was simply believe and if that is a completion of certain steps then is was taught by the apostles.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Do you think the drawing that the Spirit performs is different than the drawing God does?

Seems to me that what the reformed doctrine is referring to when it talks about 'irresistible grace' is exactly that, the drawing of the Father.

That's why i think it's weird that you would ask why God would bother drawing people if His drawing always accomplishes His purpose - it sounds like you are asking why bother doing something if doing exactly that something is literally your intention. So your comment sounds nonsensical to me. God does as He wills and drawing His own to Himself is His will

You think it's something else? You think deformed doctrine isn't talking about an irresistible drawing of God when it talks about the irresistible drawing of God?
Can you point me to some reformed sources that say otherwise?

The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit speak exactly what the Father instructs Him to speak. The Father's drawing is accomplished through the Holy Spirit. There is no distinction between the Father drawing and the Holy Spirit drawing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Well the Philippian jailer asked this question of the apostles. What must I do to be saved? The answer was simply believe and if that is a completion of certain steps then is was taught by the apostles.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Saved according to Greek = delivered. There is an eternal deliverance and there is a timely deliverance. If you apply all salvation scriptures to eternal they will not harmonize. The natural man, before he has been born of the Spirit (saved eternally) cannot discern the things of the Spirit, therefore he cannot believe in spiritual things. Repenting and believing are products of already having been born of the Spirit. The Philippian Jailer was already born again and his heavenly home was secured. There is a timely deliverance in repenting and believing.

yeah ok

answering a question with questions is not an answer

if you think what I said is weird, then you do not understand what I posted

you are discussing reformed ... not scripture

our last conversation you just ignored questions I asked, got insulted because you stated we were discussing a person...that is myself and others, and left

I see this headed in the same direction

have a great day

and don't come back with I can't answer your questions because I most certainly have

it's the other way round

You asked why God would draw people if His drawing of people always accomplishes His intent.
I carefully explained why I think that's a weird, nonsensical thing to ask, and asked you to clarify.
You haven't yet. Instead you're backing away from any discussion and trying to make it sound like I'm the one being unreasonable.

You are talking about Reformed theology. You made a comment about it that doesn't make any sense to me. I asked you to explain it if you could. You refuse.

I also brought up several things in John 6 that directly bear on the topic. Because yes, I'm here to talk about scripture and for m doctrine from what it says.
Perhaps you are inclined to comment on that? I had several questions posted and a thousand more if I could get anyone to actually engage.

Thanks!

You asked why God would draw people if His drawing of people always accomplishes His intent.
I carefully explained why I think that's a weird, nonsensical thing to ask, and asked you to clarify.
You haven't yet. Instead you're backing away from any discussion and trying to make it sound like I'm the one being unreasonable.

You are talking about Reformed theology. uh...that seems to be more what you are doing You made a comment about it that doesn't make any sense to me. I asked you to explain it if you could. You refuse.

I also brought up several things in John 6 that directly bear on the topic. Because yes, I'm here to talk about scripture and hopefully to arrive at right doctrine from what it says.
Perhaps you are inclined to comment on that? I had several questions posted and a thousand more if I could get anyone to actually engage.

Thanks!

You are talking about Reformed theology. You made a comment about it that doesn't make any sense to me. I asked you to explain it if you could. You refuse.

I'm here to talk about scripture and hopefully to arrive at right doctrine from what it says.

The fact remains that all he draws he will raise up at the last day, so if he draws all mankind, then all mankind will be raised up at the last day. Is that what you believe?

Of course, upon the inspiration of the Almighty, we understand things about salvation. Hearing the word and believing on Christ and his gospel upon the very conviction of the Holy Spirit is to be born again.

But can ppl in remote places who never heard of the Christ, can they be saved w/o ever hearing the word of God, never knowing the of the Christ?