The 2nd Commandment and Images of Jesus

That is an ignorant and bigoted post. I can see there is no point in explaining to you.

How can I answer you in a few words! It is a matter of defining the "Law of Moses".

If you read history to learn what people of Christ's time were facing, one of the main discussions was about the Law of Moses. At that time they thought of that as, not the ten commandments they knew were forever, but the laws about Jewish customs. Gamalier and Jewish scholars were concerned about people who converted, joining a synagogue. When pagan parties came along they dumped the synagogue and partied, taking Jewish friends with them. In defense scholars made 18 rules for joining the synagogue like diet and circumcision. They called these the Laws of Moses and it wasn't only Paul who objected, the entire country was up in arms except the Pharisees. Everyone knew Paul meant these laws by the Law of Moses, but people today don't know what he meant and Paul doesn't explain.

There is plenty of writings speaking of the 18 laws but there is no copy of these that survived.

So. I listen to Paul, these 18 laws are gone, but God's laws expressing love are eternal.

I would say the law of your fathers that usurps the law of our one Holy Father not seen .Is ignorant faithless .Can't serve tw Masters for one teaching authority .The law of the fathers make the law of God without effect.

There are over 3500 and rising workers with a familiar spirit and growing. There a is a idol image idol (teraphim ) available for each one. In that way when the legion comes up .Men can deceive themselves they have to proper one to do the job.

How do you think you can live the Christian life, as you express it, if you won't listen to any instructions about how to do it, as the laws are? People here say the law is abolished, we aren't to listen to the Lord. They say the Lord speaks to Israel, the physical nation and we aren't even to listen in, God doesn't speak to us. Then they say the Lord takes back His promises by abolishing the old covenant. !!!! Not that it became obsolete because our wonderful lord gave us all the Holy Spirit to guide us so we don't have to be guided by physical rules any longer, we are now guided by the spirit. That would be praiseworthy of the Lord and they seem bent on anything to obstruct the truth.

But these false statements saying God's words to us aren't eternal, we can't go by what God tells us because God changes His mind and takes His promises back are obnoxious and hateful.

Moral God = Moral Laws...

those Laws being in both the Law of the 1st and New Covenants...........they being the 10 Commandments.........

I guess English is not your first language.

Many moral laws are in the Ten Commandments but others are not.
Not all in the Ten Commandments is moral law. For example 7th day sabbath keeping is not a moral law, neither is the making of images.

Using images or teraphims "family idols" like that of Rachel which she hid from her father, used to commune with the dead, In order to put a face on the Catholic workers with a familiar spirit (patron saint 3500 and rising) picking up approval speed as legion of fathers. It has already been made to no effect .Can't serve necromancy and sola scriptura .

No man can serve two masters as one teaching authority

2 Kings 23:24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.

All the laws given at Sinai and expressed in the the books of Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers are the "Law of Moses". The Jews recognise 613 laws.
All those Laws (including the Ten Commandments) were laws for the Mosaic Covenant and ended as laws when the Covenant ended.

No, that does not mean we can murder etc. God has eternal moral laws that are valid for all people for all time. Some of those moral laws were codified for the Israelites as the 10 Commandments as part of their law..
Murder was wrong before the Ten Commandments were given to Israel (e.g. Cain & Abel) and continues to be wrong.

We still use the Ten Commandments today because they are a useful expression of (for the most part) of God eternal moral law. But not all of the Ten Commandments are moral laws.

I guess English is not your first language.

Exodus 20:4-6 NKJV:

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments."

Clearly, the 2nd commandment forbids making carved images of anything for the purpose of worship.

However, we do have various types of images of Jesus as we understand and assume that He appeared when He was a Man on earth.

And of course, those who lived during Jesus' time saw what He looked like in human form.

There are some, though, who say that having any image of Jesus is tantamount to idolatry and therefore also a violation of the 2nd commandment.

Personally, I don't feel that it's automatically idolatry (although one can make an image of Jesus into an idol). I say that because some people actually did see what Jesus looked like. Also because I believe that the prohibition against carved images was because God knew that man would try to make an image to represent Him or some other god. And one of the times that did happen was the golden calf incident.

My question is: why do some say that it's idolatry to have images of Jesus today?

Thanks!

We are not involved in necromancy. That is forbidden.

My question is: why do some say that it's idolatry to have images of Jesus today?

An image is only "wrong" if the owner worships it.

Correct. The problem with humans though is that we covet what we see.
For me, keeping an image of even my Lord in human form takes my eyes off Him spiritually. He is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit. Not only is there no need for physical trinkets and icons and crucifix' in worship, but it also tends to keep us focused on earthly things. Anything that we incorporate into our worship services that delights one of the five senses can get in the way of a true spiritual relationship with the Father. There are many snares and traps in imagery and Satan loves to use whatever he can to distract us from the Kingdom. Look at how addicted humans are to social media. Even Christians fall into that trap. It promotes vanity and many forms of worldliness that may seem fairly innocuous to the untrained eye.
Someone I know and love and who loves the Lord treasures her picture of Jesus. Long haired hippy looking white guy.
I cannot begin to explain to her how that image hinders her walk and her growth. Some aren't ready for meat. Some aren't ready to give up the man contrived traditions indoctrinated into them from early days in Sunday School.

Idolatry is extremely subtle and takes many forms. It does not require a bended knee and admission of admiration. The most common false idol that man is guilty of using to replace the One True God who alone is worthy to be praised is SELF.

Exodus 20:4-6 NKJV:

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments."

Clearly, the 2nd commandment forbids making carved images of anything for the purpose of worship.

However, we do have various types of images of Jesus as we understand and assume that He appeared when He was a Man on earth.

And of course, those who lived during Jesus' time saw what He looked like in human form.

There are some, though, who say that having any image of Jesus is tantamount to idolatry and therefore also a violation of the 2nd commandment.

Personally, I don't feel that it's automatically idolatry (although one can make an image of Jesus into an idol). I say that because some people actually did see what Jesus looked like. Also because I believe that the prohibition against carved images was because God knew that man would try to make an image to represent Him or some other god. And one of the times that did happen was the golden calf incident.

My question is: why do some say that it's idolatry to have images of Jesus today?

Thanks!