How Should Christians Vote?

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It could be that until something "hits home" that someone doesn't care about voting. How many young people don't start voting until they have money on the line? I think it's a bit quick to say I have an odd view as a believer because your post struck me as jumping on him. I guess there isn't a soft way to say this in text being that emotion gets read into text often.

Where did I condemn anyone for voting? How/why did you assume I have not ever voted (if I read your reply correctly that is)? Or that I am against voting. I was simply contentious of the fact that someone that doesn't vote has no say so. A politician who may not ever vote has extreme "say so" as does a lobbyist. It it is probably more beneficial to stop a contrary candidate by running against them rather than voting against them for the "lesser of two evils".

In which case I appreciate your quoted scripture about not accepting bribes as that is certainly important.

If it is such a simple answer about what a politician is and the questions that I asked about what a politician "can" be are of no use to you, why didn't you just state your answer for the benefit of other readers? It is not so simple to me.

There are both good and bad. Supposing that everything is blatantly obvious to everyone when we are all learning and maturing appears counterproductive, accept that if you will. I had enjoyed reading some of your posts prior and I'm just a bit taken aback.

It seemed a rather large undertaking to tally exactly how many elected positions there are in this country. You have the house/senate/presidency and the other national positions (that I'd have to look up to give you a full list) I'm not sure if the Dept of Education is elected or appointed for instance. Do you know off hand every elected position on a national level? There are at least 500 perhaps as many as 3,000 (factoring in a few things). I'm not even sure how we got off to "such" a bad start that I suppose there is no discussion that can be had there. I was simply pointing out that there is more than just the presidency and drawing attention to the fact that the news media is predisposed to focus mostly on that. Unless you believe we are moving toward a dictatorship there are 3 branches.

It is not unreasonable to be diligent about who you support with a vote and it could be that many do not vote because there is no candidate that represents them to their satisfaction. They could vote locally but not nationally. Personally, I enjoy how much voting power one has in a local election vs a national one. These are people I can talk to, debate with, and get to know.

I am pretty persuasive in person and from some perspectives I am doing a disservice to others by not putting the "right" candidate into office. Whatever that is supposed to mean. If it is of critical importance, why stop at one vote? Why not drum up votes? Why are we all not out stumping? I'm not directing that at you specifically...could be that you do attend conventions and are very involved, how am I to know that?

It is also important (in my view) to find where people are coming from and "in love" attempt to guide them another direction. Some of you here cannot understand how a believer could vote left and why others vote right. Both sometimes suggest someone that votes libertarian as a useless outlier but the libertarian (or independent) feels differently. Some haven't made up their minds and until a line is crossed may not. Can you fault them for that?

Some might feel that getting involved in the electoral college is more important, or perhaps despise that system.





I was simply trying to open up the discussion a bit beyond the normal back and forth you see and put forward more than simply the presidency of utmost importance. It is one element yes, I'm not disagreeing there.

I'm not going to speak to your military comment because I was speaking about war not someone being derogatory about the military. MANY were against the war in Iraq and MANY of those people (politicians included) had not served. How can a politician who has no military service record send people off to die? That was where I was going with that, but perhaps I didn't make that clear. I was suggesting that just because you have not served does not mean you cannot have an opinion (they do). I am in no way against military service, frankly I am aghast that you read that into my post.

Hopefully there is still some productive communication to be had in the future.

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I suppose this just proves how intelligent the founding fathers were, compared to the "educated" people today. You do know, don't you, that we do NOT live in a democracy, right?

Well if they are using those exact words, congrats, those where actually 100% my own. I guess the fact we use the same vocabulary can discredit me completely. How foolish of me.
What I cannot understand is beoples black and white views. It’s like if you are a democrat you HAVE to hate the republicans, love all the democratic presidents and agree with all the things he/she does. I do not. Obama was the president I liked the most but I didn’t agree with all he did/said/wanted. Somethings he said that was a lie or wrong, somethings he did that was against what I wanted and sometimes he failed to do things he had promised.
However I feel I like this, unfortunately is the standard. No one can be that shiny man on a hill.
But for me, even if Trump has done great things I still feel he acts like a child. He doesn’t show respect to people and I believe a man that self centered is dangerous to have in the office.
We need the world to not be this divided, and Trump has created a big rift between USA and the rest of the world. All those good relationships built on since WW2 is falling apart, just because of his time as president.

Why doesn’t everything have to be a political issue for you? In the other countries of the world, man made climate change has been known of and taught in schools since at least 1990. Its a fact and the political issue is “what shall we do about it?”
It’s when the issue came to America that people started claiming it’s a hoax, just like the corona virus... and now we know that yeah, it’s real.

Wait what?? HOW has America’s image been tarnished? You don’t call African countries “s*itholes* and expect everything to be fine. He abandoned the Kurds to their fate, he tears families apart at the border, taking the kids to camps and then losing them!
He openly tells lies about other countries and cannot stop talking about himself at meetings.
Overall, he claimed before he became president that the world would stop laughing. The world didn’t laugh at the USA, I’d say most had respect for it. Now however, they are. Just seeing the leader that has been elected and just how he is acting makes other countries look on in disbelief.

I am sorry. In my defense, that word is not a super bad word where I live. And to my other defense, I did think before using it since it isn’t part of the vocabulary I use in everyday speech. However, I believe that you can curse at certain times, as long as you know why you are using that very word.
However I see that this time it was the wrong call. I am sorry you where offended and know that if I could go in and edit the post I would.

I'm not American either so I'll comment. I did live in America for several years in the last century and The Democrat Party of today bears no resemblance to the Party I saw then. As for President Trump these wild accusations-
"acts like a narcissistic child, calling people names trying to hurt people and tearing children away from their mothers"

Are just that. Accusations with no basis in truth. These lies have been debunked repeatedly for 4 years. But the man's enemies keep repeating them as though they are true. It's a far-left tantrum. The DEMONcrats are literally trying to tear apart and overturn the democratic system itself and replace normality with an evil system. No sane person chooses cities on fire & feral youth instead of peace & prosperity.
If The USA elects that Biden shell of a human being, The whole world is in trouble.

When God sends a choice between good & evil & the people whine & complain & choose evil he will give those people the evil they desire until it breaks them. If this world chooses Far-Left Humanism & Globalism we will get the covenant of death we ask for. It will be no use virtue-signalling about "children & mothers" then. I hope & pray the Yanks give President Trump another term.

You can't assume the agendas taught in school in this generation resemble truth & facts. Open the tin & look inside.
Worldwide the children today are taught & raised to be political activists for Globalist causes. At one time it was only colleges & universities. Younger & younger the children are being indoctrinated with every cause sacred to atheist far-left politics.
In my country they spent 2019 bringing children out of classrooms onto the streets. "protesting" "climate change" Many parents were angry about this but felt powerless to stop it. It's not 2020. It's 1984.

If it was 1984 we would know so much less about the harm we do to our world. Every year we learn more and more and we should act on it, not be stuck in the thought that everything we don’t like is a hoax or has a hidden agenda. I have seen the counter arguments for man made climate change. Some claim that the earth has been warming up from body heat, some claim it’s because the sun is growing, some says it’s just natural and happened during the dinosaurs age as well. That for me, as a long standing dinosaur nerd is a very strange argument. Yes, climate has changed over time, but then we count millions of years, not twenty.
The thing that makes young people react today is that the deadline for doing something is expanding and they are the ones who will have to live with our mistakes.

PS: I saw now that my auto correct must have changed the sentence from “why does everything have to be political” to “ doesn’t”. Sadly too long had passed for me to edit it. Sorry for the confusion it might have caused.

Yes we need to look after the environment but just look at all the Green political parties. They are the farthest Left & most authoritarian parties. You'll find they are less concerned with the natural world and more about total control. Population control.
Environment BEFORE people.

The lord has given us important assurances about the earth. We mustn't place atheist pseudoscience above the assurances of THE CREATOR of all things.

I don't think you've understood my reference to 1984. I didn't mean the actual year 1984. I was referring to the novel by Orwell.
President Trump is Emmanuel Goldstein.

The virus is real and came out of a lab in Wuhan -- possibly as a means of bio-warfare against the West.

But the pandemic hoax -- fear-mongering, panic creation, bogus statistics, bogus computer models of death rates, bogus daiiy reports about infections, deaths, etc, bogus attacks on HCQ, bogus lock downs, social distancing, masks, shutting down of economies, churches, schools, etc. -- was designed to destroy nations and undermine freedoms. Now they want to force people to take a bogus vaccine, and possibly increase the deaths even more.

Just as annual flu seasons were generally ignored, this flu virus should have been treated like any other flu with simple precautions. But when State control of total populations could be so easily manipulated, why let a bogus crisis go to waste? So now everyone is virtually living under Communist Chinese rule. While they just had a pool party in Wuhan and are laughing their heads off. "We sure fooled those Western gwailo!"

What are your sources for this?

So you think we are doing our earth right? We are doing all we can to help the planet we where given to care for and protect? So many species are going extinct every day. Our oceans are filled of plastic and what we pollute they air with us killing us. The temperatures have risen under my life and that is our doing. And that is causing disaster over the entire world. Perhaps you won’t notice in your living room, or I your backyard, but people who study the animals, the nature and the science behind it are very concerned.
But perhaps you think that those wonderful creatures and biome God created are worth destroying so that you wouldn’t have to deal with “the left”?

Here is evidence of the cover-up by China regarding the origin of COVID-19:

This is from the above film.

Thank you! I will have a look!

I love how a person's position in Christ is now determined by their political stance.. Modern Christianity at its finest

So I just read through several of them and none of them are combatting anything to do with the green house effect caused by humans. All scientists already agree that the earth obviously goes through climate changes and magnetic changes. Even in the last billion years we see changes in the climate that naturally occurs. We trace these changes through several things such as ice cores and paleodendrology by seeing how the rings tighten and release in trees. We can create multiple models doing this. We can study the fossils of shelled creatures and see how their compositions change and how
Many suddenly died as ph levels daily
From volcanoes making water more acidic as it trapped more carbon.

All of those are how we know it’s happening at an accelerated rate now.