Livable wage

Thats a good definition. Id also add something like MEDICAL EXPENSES (potentially)

I live in an expensive city. Once in a while I research into buying a condo, but in the end I don't see a huge benefit that is worth the added stress, as a relatively young person. I researched buying a one bedroom nearby, or a two bedroom or small townhome even farther away, but the total costs (with taxes, condo/HOA fee, utilities) plus maintenance etc. would be basically DOUBLE OR ALMOST TRIPLE my current rent (for a studio, utilities included) depending on the home. There is no rent control but because of supply and demand (there are some really old outdated units in my building, the rents for these units keep the prices down for all units i.e., if one landlord charges a really low price another cannot charge a much higher price, etc.), the rent in my building has generally remained reasonable year to year.

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Right. And you're correct in basically stating that "minimum wage" is not enough to raise a family on. It's not intended for that.
As for a place that requires a car, no buses and an expensive taxi... I've lived in places like that too. It's why I stick to local transit. Honestly I'm considering trying to find a way to ditch the car since i'm working from home now all the times and can get groceries delivered cheap.

As for McDonalds... I mean in all honesty I could live cheaper if I bought my own groceries and did my own cooking. But I have this tendency to either overfocus or while "waiting" on things to cook forget when I'm doing and get distracted.
At which point the smoke alarm starts going off and the house smells like burnt bacon.
Granted, I can get around this and fix this.

I agree with you, everyone does have different needs, which is why there is not way to determine a "living wage" unless you state "every single person only needs x to live, every couple needs x+1, every couple with kids needs X + 1 + y (where y is the number of kids)."

This is why it's up to each of us to figure out how much we need (and be smart with our money) and then figure out what we need to do in order to get there.

While I agree that having a stable job or career is best before having children, I think the solution is to fix the problem, not tax more people and pour more money into programs or destroy small businesses with wages they can't afford to pay.

I'm sure if we trace things back up the line into government interference (and the big banks) we'll be able to find the problem. Like oh I don't know. Banks and property companies buying up all the land and locking the prices just like an informal monopoly.

As for food prices, couldn't tell you where the issue is there. Not my area of digging.

This. This is what people need to understand. It's not about how high you crank the wage. It's about the market and prices. Yes. Thank you.

Yes in Perth. We still have the same problems but on a smaller scale due to a smaller population. House prices have increased enormously here. I think things are more expensive here, I'm not sure. I haven't really travelled over east to compare. Rentals atm are nearly extinct because of covid. If we have another lockdown or other viruses appear goodness knows what will happen.

what is the population of Perth ?

Probably about two million.

2. 042,000 to be exact, haha!

I'm not suggesting this was the OP's intention, but the idea of a government-mandated living wage is a farce. Everyone's needs are slightly different, and everyone's abilities are slightly different. There are too many factors to reduce "need" to an hourly rate.

Here's the root of the problem: no human (or group of humans) is wise enough to distribute resources in such a way that it is truly equitable.

Universal Basic Income is being rolled out slowly, maybe by 2023 it will be law.

Latest discussions is Trump wants to hand out $2000 soon. Maybe will all be payed $2000 a month by the government one day. UBI

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfr...-i-want-2000-stimulus-checks/?sh=73174b3f2e06

The thing is, manufacturing jobs have been shipped to China mostly, so that leaves the U.S. with service jobs. Now with the new lock downs, many of these service jobs are not "essential", so they killed off more employment.

If you kill the jobs, you kill the economy, so the U.S. is now a mostly a welfare state, with a large military. Military is government jobs. We will probably all rely on the government one day, just for a ration of food, pay, and shelter.

I think thats spot on Dino... I had thought that no government has the moral capacity to do it, corruption eventually wins.
Your saying that no government has enough wisdom to hold it together... Ye thats a good one...

Ye its the most isolated city out there beyond the Nullarbor. I had considered going there for mine work in the past, i think wages in my industry are higher there cos of the mining industry.
Melbourne was outgrowing Sydney and was about to overtake it but now there is a mass exodus from here...
Im sick of city life. A small town would suit me somewhere along the coast

is Perth smaller than Sydney ?

Population of Sydney is 5,730,000 as of 2019.

gee, that's incredible.

If Congress can hand out $2 million (or $2 billion) to non-citizens, Trump is right in handing out at least $2,000 for DAMAGES to lives and livelihood.

If citizens were able to bring a class action suit against the government of the United States for the tremendous damage done to them (including the loss of guaranteed liberties and the increased stress, and loss of loved ones through suicides. etc) since January 2020, the compensation for each citizen would be at least $2 million in DAMAGES.

And that is what a COVID COMPENSATION (not stimulus) bill should have been all about. (with not a cent going outside the country, or to major corporations, or to special interest groups, or to cronies of the politicians). Trump should have immediately vetoed this obscene pork-laden bill, since that was his prerogative as president. Let's hope he vetoes the next proposal, since it will not change to any significant degree.

It's crazy times. The next 12 months should be even crazier.

sue China, or put a bullet in the head of the communist leader.

You know what I was thinking, this is like preparation for war. If their is no employment, than the youth have no where to work, but maybe they have a good reason for this.

Possible solution........WAR!

O.k., Uncle Sam wants you to sign up, and get those bad guys. Those bad guys are really bad, so let's get them. Take your machine gun and shoot them. It's not like you have anything better to do with your time.

Uncle Sam is gonna offer you decent pay, health benefits, education, and so much more. Don't you want to defend your country? We have been attacked in Tennessee......etc.

Another possible solution.......Bankrupt.

We are in the process of impoverishing the world, but don't worry, we will pay you to take our vaccines, so everything will be o.k., if you just listen to what we say. Don't listen to those darn conspiracies guy, those guys are nutz. Like crazy-crazy.

Green New Deal. Everyone is broke and live off of the government.



If all economies of the world have cut the fat in their economy, so they can focus on the war machine. All essential resources must be for fighting, and bare minimum resources to the general public, who are not fighting the war. They just need to shut up and fight, fight, fight for the mother land.

Random thoughts here and possible outcomes in 5 years. Just brainstorming...