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Blik

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It began in the 40’s. Before that, we read of bible prophecy, but there was no sign of it, and then, following Hitler, we began to see the prophecy of the Jews returning to Jerusalem coming true.

It had been about 2,000 years between us and Christ living as a man and opening up the mystery of God’s salvation. During these years hundreds of scholars added their interpretations of scripture each saying something a little bit different from what the apostles said. We needed to go back, and God provided a way to do that. Writings from the time of Christ, scripture from that time, had been buried in caves and those caves were discovered. If you watch the footnotes of your scripture you will find corrections made based on these original scriptures. See 1 Samuel 10-11 or 1 Samuel 11:1-2 and Psalm 151.

The writings in these scrolls contain some of the earliest texts of scripture yet found. Our ancient history professors have learned much of ancient Hebrew culture through the scrolls. There is even a new denomination of Christians that evolved when there was a better understanding of the culture spoken of in the old testament. This denomination is not without problems, as some people made the old testament dominate rather than the same from the same God. As with anything new, they are attacked unmercifully by the establishment even though it is based on changing nothing from the old.

I feel blessed and excited about living in these new times when the Lord is preparing us for His return.
 

Nehemiah6

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I feel blessed and excited about living in these new times when the Lord is preparing us for His return.
According to the Olivet Discourse, it is anything but "an exciting new age". Unless you are a New Ager.

THE OLIVET DISCOURSE: THINGS GET PROGRESSIVELY WORSE
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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The world gets progressively worse.

The Spirit and the bride say COME Lord Jesus!



Isaiah 51
12 ‘I, even I, am he who comforts you.
Who are you that you fear mere mortals,
human beings who are but grass,
13 that you forget the Lord your Maker,
who stretches out the heavens
and who lays the foundations of the earth,
that you live in constant terror every day
because of the wrath of the oppressor,
who is bent on destruction?
For where is the wrath of the oppressor?
14 The cowering prisoners will soon be set free;
they will not die in their dungeon,
nor will they lack bread.
15 For I am the Lord your God,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar –
the Lord Almighty is his name.
16 I have put my words in your mouth
and covered you with the shadow of my hand –
I who set the heavens in place,
who laid the foundations of the earth,
and who say to Zion, “You are my people.”’


 

Blik

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According to the Olivet Discourse, it is anything but "an exciting new age". Unless you are a New Ager.

THE OLIVET DISCOURSE: THINGS GET PROGRESSIVELY WORSE
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Jesus is returning, isn't that exciting? We have new opportunities to learn and grow as the remnant for Christ, it is exciting.
 

JaumeJ

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We must pray for all propriety in action during these times. They will be trying times, but as you have said,
Blik
exiting is the word. Let no man think he is able to speed up what our Father has prepared from the beginning, for the timing is only up to Him. All love and blessings in Jesus-Yeshua our most blessed Savior, amen.
 

tourist

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Jesus is returning, isn't that exciting? We have new opportunities to learn and grow as the remnant for Christ, it is exciting.
I find that to be very exciting. I agree, we are now in the end-times.
 
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We are, we are, we are.
But while I greatly anticipate Christs' arrival I detest the way God, His word and our Savior is being treated by the secular world and even on this and other like forums. It troubles me greatly, even though I see clearly end time prophecies.
 
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We must pray for all propriety in action during these times. They will be trying times, but as you have said,
Blik
exiting is the word. Let no man think he is able to speed up what our Father has prepared from the beginning, for the timing is only up to Him. All love and blessings in Jesus-Yeshua our most blessed Savior, amen.

Yes the timing is up to him, and I do look forward to Christ's return, but there are people that seem to love to put a deadline in front of God or better stated, to try to read his mind and quantify a date. Even recently, last August I received an e-mail from a well-meaning friend who was positive Christ would return last September. Just like the Millerites in 1844, he and I'm assuming his associates were disappointed. I remember in the 1970s in the little Pentecostal church I attended, every service was dismissed with the notion that the world couldn't get any worse and the we might not be meeting again because Christ could return that week. Someone spelled out Richard Milhaus Nixon's name, attached numerical values to each letter, and supposedly came out with 666. We were convinced that by - oh, say 1986 - the world would be in the midst of the tribulation.

Jesus will come in his own time and it will be the perfect time, trust me!
 

tribesman

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Yes the timing is up to him, and I do look forward to Christ's return, but there are people that seem to love to put a deadline in front of God or better stated, to try to read his mind and quantify a date. Even recently, last August I received an e-mail from a well-meaning friend who was positive Christ would return last September. Just like the Millerites in 1844, he and I'm assuming his associates were disappointed. I remember in the 1970s in the little Pentecostal church I attended, every service was dismissed with the notion that the world couldn't get any worse and the we might not be meeting again because Christ could return that week. Someone spelled out Richard Milhaus Nixon's name, attached numerical values to each letter, and supposedly came out with 666. We were convinced that by - oh, say 1986 - the world would be in the midst of the tribulation.

Jesus will come in his own time and it will be the perfect time, trust me!
Oh, let us never listen to such enthusiasts. These false prophecies and predictions are still yet signs that the time is short and the end is near. The exact hour of that event, we will not know beforehand however.
 

John146

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2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
 

notuptome

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It will likely get a lot worse before the rapture of the church. After the rapture of the church is will get many times worse over a very brief period of time.

We have been in the end times since the resurrection of Christ. In the resurrection of Christ is all our glory and hope.

Be glad and rejoice for He is not here He is risen.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Blik

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Yes the timing is up to him, !
We cannot know the year God will return, but scripture lets us know the time of year God will return.

The feasts serve as prophecy and tells us of God's plan for our salvation. Four of those plans have been accomplished, and the spring and summer feasts prophesied them. They happened on the day of the year they were celebrated with a feast.

The Lord always follows the pattern of behavior He establishes, so we can be sure the last three prophesies will happen on the day of the year they were prophesied.
 

oyster67

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Revelation
22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

PTL!!!:)
 
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It began in the 40’s. Before that, we read of bible prophecy, but there was no sign of it, and then, following Hitler, we began to see the prophecy of the Jews returning to Jerusalem coming true.

It had been about 2,000 years between us and Christ living as a man and opening up the mystery of God’s salvation. During these years hundreds of scholars added their interpretations of scripture each saying something a little bit different from what the apostles said. We needed to go back, and God provided a way to do that. Writings from the time of Christ, scripture from that time, had been buried in caves and those caves were discovered. If you watch the footnotes of your scripture you will find corrections made based on these original scriptures. See 1 Samuel 10-11 or 1 Samuel 11:1-2 and Psalm 151.

The writings in these scrolls contain some of the earliest texts of scripture yet found. Our ancient history professors have learned much of ancient Hebrew culture through the scrolls. There is even a new denomination of Christians that evolved when there was a better understanding of the culture spoken of in the old testament. This denomination is not without problems, as some people made the old testament dominate rather than the same from the same God. As with anything new, they are attacked unmercifully by the establishment even though it is based on changing nothing from the old.

I feel blessed and excited about living in these new times when the Lord is preparing us for His return.
The Dead Sea Scrolls did not reveal anything about ancient Hebrew Culture that was not already known. The Dead Sea Scrolls did not contain any New Testament Scriptures so what are you talking about? What Christian Denomination evolved from information found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Who are you getting this information from? Did you know that you can search the Dead Sea Scrolls online and know what was found? Is someone lying to you about what is in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
 

Blik

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The Dead Sea Scrolls did not reveal anything about ancient Hebrew Culture that was not already known. The Dead Sea Scrolls did not contain any New Testament Scriptures so what are you talking about? What Christian Denomination evolved from information found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Who are you getting this information from? Did you know that you can search the Dead Sea Scrolls online and know what was found? Is someone lying to you about what is in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Are you saying that the Dead Sea Scrolls do not contain anything written at the time of Christ? Men have spent almost a lifetime studying these scrolls, and you seem to think they are nothing, and have had no influence today. Where have you found this information?

The new denomination that has come about since these scrolls were found is called "Messianic Synagogue". It is made up of men who feel both the new and old testament are from God and agree with each other. They are accused of ignoring the new testament and believing only the old testament is true. Their writings center on the agreement between the two testaments, saying both are true although their accusers deny they say this.
 
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Are you saying that the Dead Sea Scrolls do not contain anything written at the time of Christ? Men have spent almost a lifetime studying these scrolls, and you seem to think they are nothing, and have had no influence today. Where have you found this information?

The new denomination that has come about since these scrolls were found is called "Messianic Synagogue". It is made up of men who feel both the new and old testament are from God and agree with each other. They are accused of ignoring the new testament and believing only the old testament is true. Their writings center on the agreement between the two testaments, saying both are true although their accusers deny they say this.
The only cultural insight the Dead Sea Scrolls contained was concerning the communal life of the "Essene like" sect that lived on the edge of Jerusalem and separated from the Pharisees and had their own theology that was unorthodox. They may have been similar to the sects that wrote the book of Enoch but I don't think it has been proven that the they embraced all the literature in these scrolls as authentic, they may have simply had a library that contained them and considered them literature worth saving. Not much is known about them but the scrolls that explain their rules for communal living. Learning about the communal rules of an "Essene Like" sect is not learing about the culture of the Hebrews from the 1st Century. And Frankly there is an abundance of knowledge about the Culture of the Hebrews in the first century and the Dead Sea Scrolls added nothing to that knowledge.

There were NO significant differences in the scripture manuscripts found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and those manuscripts that were in extant before their discovery. They simply proved that younger manuscripts had not been corrupted, such as the case of the scroll of Isaiah. The one found in the DSS was 900 years older and no different. It proved that the younger one HAD NOT been corrupted.

A Messianic Synagogue is a Jewish Synagogue that has embraced Jesus as the Messiah and not a denomination. Unless there is are denominations that are trying to connect these. Nevertheless they have nothing to do with the DSS.

If you are talking about the Hebrew Roots Movement I still don't see what the DSS has to do with that movement.
 

Blik

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The need for understanding the old testament grows with each year that separates the culture of the people it refers to and us, and when we find writings that bring us closer to understanding those people it is such a blessing. You would think that those who love the Lord would greet any communication that brings us closer to God would be welcomed with open arms.

There are people who are doing just that, people who devote their life to studying this communication with those of so long ago and bringing that knowledge forward to the people of scripture.

There are also others who act as the Pharisees acted when Christ came--they feel it is a threat to their doctrines. It is true, they do threaten man made doctrine, but they bring us closer to the one true God. The one true God tells us about who God is in the old testament, and many have been tossing it aside as warlike, and beyond understanding.

There is no word of Christ to be found in these writings, only what some people thought about, what was important to them at that time. And the oldest translations of the old testament yet found, so some texts are cleared up. That is no reason to toss aside the good that is found in them.
 
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The need for understanding the old testament grows with each year that separates the culture of the people it refers to and us, and when we find writings that bring us closer to understanding those people it is such a blessing. You would think that those who love the Lord would greet any communication that brings us closer to God would be welcomed with open arms.

There are people who are doing just that, people who devote their life to studying this communication with those of so long ago and bringing that knowledge forward to the people of scripture.

There are also others who act as the Pharisees acted when Christ came--they feel it is a threat to their doctrines. It is true, they do threaten man made doctrine, but they bring us closer to the one true God. The one true God tells us about who God is in the old testament, and many have been tossing it aside as warlike, and beyond understanding.

There is no word of Christ to be found in these writings, only what some people thought about, what was important to them at that time. And the oldest translations of the old testament yet found, so some texts are cleared up. That is no reason to toss aside the good that is found in them.
Well I am glad that you are learning about what is in the Dead Sea Scrolls and exactly what contributions they have made. I don't see the connection to them and the Hebrew Roots movement or Messianic Synagogues but maybe you can point me to a link where someone has made such a connection and I can read why they think so. I have never heard about this connection before.