Doctrine of Unconditional Election

Yeah, I always find it amazing, Grandpa, when people say that Jesus paid for everyone's sins, they do not recognize or accept by that, everyone without exception must be saved. What they miss, and what proves the major flaw in their thinking, is, if all sins were paid, then the sin of not believing was paid too.

Thereby, making everyone saved. But, the Bible is abundantly clear, that everyone is not saved. However, for the Elect, it is true, and by which are we saved with the sin of not believing graciously removed. From that, true faith in Christ is given as a gift to them alone.
Hope that makes sense.

[2Co 5:14 KJV]
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

[2Co 5:15 KJV] 15 And [that] he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

[1Pe 2:24 KJV]
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Those work?

Christ's work paid the sin debt. And FAITH in Christ's work justifies those who believe. Rom 5:1 says so. Do you believe Rom 5:1?

Or not?

Your question isn't even legit. Entering the kingdom isn't about "the call". Maybe you should adopt the Berean study method as I have.

You would then understand what "calling" is all about.

Only if there were a verse that supports your claim can I accept what you claim. Otherwise, your claims are opinions, assumptions, or presumptions.

Just the facts ma'am. No hyperbole or hyper-anything here.

If you can't provide Scripture that says what you claim, there is no reason I can think of for accepting your claims.

I completely agree.


You may stop with your "full stop". What that would mean is that salvation is by the death of Christ. So, show me ANY verse that actually says that. But save your time. There are NO such verses. What you claim is only your opinion.

Instead, there are verses that tell us clearly the basis for which we are saved, and it isn't Christ's death.

He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

Rom 4:25 - He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

What do the red words mean? What do the blue words mean?

Rom 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, wehave peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Do you see the connection between these 2 verses that occur together? Jesus was resurrected for our justification AND we are justified THROUGH faith. Not His death.

You're probably thinking of Rom 5:9 - Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!

However, v.1 tells us that our faith is IN His blood. So it isn't on the basis of His death, but OUR faith in His death on our behalf.

v.10 - For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

What do the red words mean? What do the blue words mean?


You're going to have to prove that with Scripture.


Go ahead and show me the verse.


Your claim is empty. You have no evidence that supports your claim. You just don't want to accept the verses that I have quoted.


Nice try. Now, why don't you address "those verses" and show me what they really mean then. If you can.

It's just so easy to make a claim. But it's quite another thing to prove a claim.

[2Co 5:14 KJV]
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

[2Co 5:15 KJV] 15 And [that] he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

[1Pe 2:24 KJV]
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Those work?

Do you see?

Faith is a work,

Scripture HAS TO agree with scripture.

This is EXTREMELY simple.

If the Lord tasted death for every single person, then every single person is saved. Period. Full stop.

Its fine for you to try and believe that. But it contradicts scripture.



A MUCH better understanding of these scriptures is that the Lord Jesus is the Saviour of HIS PEOPLE. All of His People in the World from the beginning of time to the end of time.


None of those verses you posted refute ANYTHING. All those verses have done is confuse you. Even more than you already were.

Sorry, don't quite follow?

Romans 4:

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

That is Christ's faith described in Rom 5:1 , not ours. We cannot justify ourselves. Faith is a work, and if we believe it our work, then we remain under law and therefore judgement. Faith in Christ is a gift.

Here's the verse

[Rom 5:1 KJV] 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

"through our Lord Jesus Christ": Christ's faithfulness

[Rev 2:13 KJV] 13
I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.



Explain how you think a Savior saves.

What does it say to you, that someone doesn't know Christ's death insured the Salvation covenant?
The basic foundation of our faith.

Oh boy, where should I start? To me, it means the entire foundation of his spiritual understanding is wrong and corrupt.
And what happens when someone builds on a corrupted foundation? It eventually collapses upon itself

Like building a house on shifting sand.

The tragedy though is when such one's seek to lead others to erect their homes on that same foundation right along with them. A sinkhole waiting to swallow souls.

That is Christ's faith described in Rom 5:1 , not ours. We cannot justify ourselves.

Faith is a work, and if we believe it our work, then we remain under law and therefore judgement.

Faith in Christ is a gift.

Here's the verse
[Rom 5:1 KJV] 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

"through our Lord Jesus Christ": Christ's faithfulness

Explain how you think a Savior saves.

The sad part there is that more than one person likes your post where you demonstrate you are unaware of John 6.

Just so you know moving forward with your disrespect of Christians on this site, saying "nice try",

When you're laboring to insult someone for posting, they didn't try anything.

They accomplished posting their thoughts in this forum.

How about trying to show you know what living in grace is?