Who Justifieth the Ungodly

Because he has fully committed himself to false doctrine, and nothing anyone says or shows from Scripture will make a whit of difference.

We see the same thing in the Gospels. The scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees, and lawyers had all committed themselves totally to false doctrines -- "the traditions of men". So nothing which Christ did or said or quoted from Scripture made any difference to them. They would oppose Christ and oppose truth day and night because they were caught in the snare of the devil. The devil is a Liar and the Father of Lies. And all false teachings are lies from the devil. And Satan hates the fact that Christ died for the sins of the whole world.

Justification and Sanctification !

Both these Blessings are Joined together, for Justification [before God by the Blood] gives purpose and cause for Sanctification [ A work of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13]; that is all whom God declares righteous because of the one obedience of Christ for the many Rom 5:19, that is to say by His Death or Blood, they must also be made experientially Righteous by New Birth or Sanctification of the Spirit. All whom Christ's obedience declares righteous Isa 53:11

Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see[a] and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities. ESV

They all must be by the Spirit Sanctified, which Jesus meant by His words here Jn 17:17-20

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

The Spirit's Work of 2 Thess 2:13 is the answer to this request !

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That request in Vs 17 was not for just the disciples !

Sanctification of the Spirit is based upon what Christ did Vs 19 Sanctified Himself by means of Death !

That Sanctification follows Justification is what Paul also meant here Col 1:12-14

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

In other words, since we have redemption through His Blood, Justification, He makes us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in Light, thats experiential Sanctification by the Spirit ! Justification makes it right for us to be brought into a righteous state !

Non imputation is solely premised on God in Christ. The Father wont charge the elect with their sins since He already charged/imputed them o Christ. The sinner had no active part in that transaction !

It seems like it to me.

Lets try this again:

If Christ died for a persons sins in 33 ad, put them away then, and that person is born in 1958 a sinner, has those sins he or she begins to commit already put away by Christ back in 33 ad ? Yes or no ?

Post 675 Is that false doctrine ? Show me how and why !

keep reading, brightfame52

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word


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Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".

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I have already kept reading, many times, so again you ignore scripture truth.

Gods not going to chare with sin, or impute sin, on any sinner Christ for, its impossible !

it's one thing to read and it's another to understand what God wants understood.

you stated:


as if the only valid point of vs 20 is what you claim.

What we do know from Scripture from Genesis to Revelation is clearly spelled out in vs 20:


John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word


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John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...

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Rom 4:25 and 1 Tim 3:16

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

1 Tim 3:16

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Christ's Resurrection was an evidence of the vindication of all those He died for, For Paul writes above in 1 Tim 3:16, that He [Christ] was vindicated or justified in the Spirit.

It was for the imputed offences of all that He died for. For when He died, He had been by God's Law and Justice, charged with all the crimes and iniquities of them He died for, The Lord Laid them on Him Isa 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

And this He had agreed to in the engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, and so He was condemned for them, and because of them, and not for Himself.He was their Head and Surety and Representative, and He suffered the condemnation of death on their account, and when He arose, He was Justified in the Spirit and by the Spirit, Vindicated from all the crimes, sins and offenses charged to Him, placed on His Account n God's lethal Justice,and so all those He died for were also Justified in Him as their Living, Risen Head, for remember He rose as the Shepherd or Head of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

The word shepherd is the greek word poimēn and means:

a herdsman, esp. a shepherd

a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow

2) metaph.

a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church

1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies

2) of kings and princes

Yes, as risen Shepherd, He was the Risen Head of the Church, His Body, so if the Head is Raised in Vindication of the sins of His Body, then the body members are Vindicated as well, or the Sheep !

Hence they were crucified with Him, so they arose with Him, and were Justified together with Him, and so should be the Testimony of His Gospel Rom 4:25.

There is no Preaching the Gospel, The death, burial, and resurrection of Christ without highlighting at some time the Justification of those whose offenses He was delivered because of, for if we shun this, deny this, we become false witnesses of the Gospel. If Christ had not risen, the verdict would have n, those He died for are yet in their sins, and condemned by God for them, His Law and Justice unsatisfied ! 6

It appears you have read scripture I have presented but either dont believe it or dont understand it.

Once again, The Just God is
not going to charge with sin, or impute sin, on any sinner Christ died for, its impossible ! He already charged their sins to Christ and that Justified them. Then He gives them Faith to believe it, its that simple.

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".

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I believe Scripture.

What is rejected is your erroneous dogma because it does not align with Scripture.

What we do know from Scripture from Genesis to Revelation is clearly spelled out:


John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word

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John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...

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