Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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brightfame52

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OIC1965 said:
I’d rather read and believe the Bible. You resisted Romans 5:1. That’s what happened.Finish the sentence. “Therefore being justified by —————, we have peace with God.” Romans 5:1.
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I certainly cant tell, I have given much bible to clarify my points.
 
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Romans 4:5 clearly states that righteousness is imputed to those who believe.
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I know what Rom 4:5 says, it says God justified the ungodly, so the person was in a state of ungodliness when Justified, thats what is believed.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Reddened BY Christ and His work THROUGH faith. Another way to put it would be saved BY Grace THROUGH faith. Same concept, different words.
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yes ... so simple. God has made so clear ... some folks just want it their way instead of God's way.

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reneweddaybyday

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You must believe God responds to the dead sinners faith to give him righteousness instead of God giving the sinner righteousness based upon what Christ did for the sinner.
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Here is what I believe:


Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

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Romans 4:

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.

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23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

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reneweddaybyday

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brightfame52 said:
I know what Rom 4:5 says, it says God justified the ungodly, so the person was in a state of ungodliness when Justified, thats what is believed.
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is that what Romans 4:5 says??? Let's see ...

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


Here is how Romans 4:5 appears your favorite version (Amplified):

But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).​

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brightfame52 said:
Already read, so again:

According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?
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According to Galatians 3:1-15 they were redeemed BY Christ THROUGH faith. Just as we have been saved BY Grace THROUGH faith.

Question answered.
 
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I certainly cant tell, I have given much bible to clarify my points.
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Pulling verses out of context is not rightly handling the Word. You pull verses like Galatians 3:13 out of context and completely ignore the surrounding verses.
 
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I know what Rom 4:5 says, it says God justified the ungodly, so the person was in a state of ungodliness when Justified, thats what is believed.
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I answered your question, now please answer this:

According to Romans 4:5, what is credited/imputed for righteousness?
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
is that what Romans 4:5 says??? Let's see ...

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


Here is how Romans 4:5 appears your favorite version (Amplified):

But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).​

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Apparently he doesn’t realize that justification and imputation of righteousness (and non imputation of sin) are the same thing. )

You need both non imputation of sin and imputation of righteousness. It is clear from scripture that God only imputes righteousness to those who believe. And without imputed righteousness, no one is justified.

a. No justification without imputed righteousness. (Grace)

b. Righteousness is only imputed to those who believe.

c. Justification by Grace (imputed righteousness) through faith.
 
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I know what Rom 4:5 says, it says God justified the ungodly, so the person was in a state of ungodliness when Justified, thats what is believed.
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Justified by Grace. Romans 3:24
justified by faith. Romans 3:28

Faith counted/imputed for righteousness. Romans 4:5

Righteousness imputed to believers. Romans 4:11

Abrahams promise to those who are his children through the same imputation of righteousness through faith. Romans 4:13

The promise is of faith that it might be by Grace. Romans 4:16

Righteousness imputed through faith. Romans 4:24.

Justified by faith. Romans 5:1
justified by Christ’s blood. Romans 5;9

Justified by faith. Galatians 2:16
Justified by Christ. Galatians 2:17

Justified by faith. Galatians 3:24

Titus 3:7. Justified by Grace through regeneration and renewing. Titus 3:4-6
 
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Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith… Apostle Paul. Romans 3:28.

I’ll agree with the apostle Paul on this one.
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
Here is what I believe:


Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

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Romans 4:

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.

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23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

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You believe like most religionist believe, that Justification before God is conditioned on man !
 
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brightfame52

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reneweddaybyday said:
is that what Romans 4:5 says??? Let's see ...

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


Here is how Romans 4:5 appears your favorite version (Amplified):

But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).​

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I have discussed Rom 4:5 already, its about how God justified the ungodly.
 
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OIC1965 said:
According to Galatians 3:1-15 they were redeemed BY Christ THROUGH faith. Just as we have been saved BY Grace THROUGH faith.

Question answered.
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Evasion, according to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Pulling verses out of context is not rightly handling the Word. You pull verses like Galatians 3:13 out of context and completely ignore the surrounding verses.
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I highlight verses that are within the context ! They are truth.
 
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OIC1965 said:
I answered your question, now please answer this:

According to Romans 4:5, what is credited/imputed for righteousness?
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Your question is changing the subject matter, according to Rom 4:5 were they justified while ungodly ?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Justified by Grace. Romans 3:24
justified by faith. Romans 3:28

Faith counted/imputed for righteousness. Romans 4:5

Righteousness imputed to believers. Romans 4:11

Abrahams promise to those who are his children through the same imputation of righteousness through faith. Romans 4:13

The promise is of faith that it might be by Grace. Romans 4:16

Righteousness imputed through faith. Romans 4:24.

Justified by faith. Romans 5:1
justified by Christ’s blood. Romans 5;9

Justified by faith. Galatians 2:16
Justified by Christ. Galatians 2:17

Justified by faith. Galatians 3:24

Titus 3:7. Justified by Grace through regeneration and renewing. Titus 3:4-6
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Those Christ died for are Justified before God before they believe and while ungodly. Rom 4:5 Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9 before they believe.
 
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brightfame52

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OIC1965 said:
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith… Apostle Paul. Romans 3:28.

I’ll agree with the apostle Paul on this one.
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No you dont agree with the Apostle because you dont understand the Apostle. You are a conditionalist and Pau and I aren't.
 
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