Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

Stop game playing...what did Christ say to John?

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If a person makes such statements, they need to prove what they say. I have not personally noticed one person in this thread doing what peldom claims. Prove who said what you claim peldom.

They will not be able to show such a post, because they do not exist.

It is evidence of their lack of discernment.

And since they (and some of their ilk) cannot tell the difference, claiming people saying water baptism is not a requirement for salvation, confusing it with and erroneously assuming and further falsely accusing us of being anti baptism, it is hard to trust that they have any real comprehension of Scripture at all, when such a simple matter eludes their understanding completely.

He cannot.

You mean a post where someone was saying I had misrepresented someone’s stance about water baptism? It doesn’t exist, but two people proceeded to call me a liar repeatedly over the course of several pages anyway. I assure you those posts slandering me will never go away, but who cares.

I think we should study a bit into the why people think they can disregard water baptism. This may have something to do with foundational teachings.

Is everyone believing that the example of the church in the New Testament is the most accurate example of what a church should be? If yes then they clearly taught water baptism was a requirement.

Its no different, than those who are pro works for salvation saying grace believers are against works. because we reject a works centered gospel..

When you resort to placing your faith in something that is not true. Your forced to attack with false truths to get the focus of you and what you believe. and in this way, your not forced to look at the truth..

the pharisees were masters at this. as we see. modern day pharisee types are no different..

Yeah, You still have not confessed that sin, or povided posts where people have actually done it.. So it would help if you would answer our sisters question and provide posts where people disregard or do not believe one should be baptised.

They will not be able to show such a post, because they do not exist.

It is evidence of their lack of discernment.

And since they (and some of their ilk) cannot tell the difference, claiming people saying water baptism is not a requirement for salvation, confusing it with and erroneously assuming and further falsely accusing us of being anti baptism, it is hard to trust that they have any real comprehension of Scripture at all, when such a simple matter eludes their understanding completely.

He cannot.

Right. Instead we get 'how dare you' and all kinds of indignant responses. But as you say, they cannot back up their accusations.

Right. Instead we get 'how dare you' and all kinds of indignant responses. But as you say, they cannot back up their accusations.

They will not be able to show such a post, because they do not exist.

It is evidence of their lack of discernment.

And since they (and some of their ilk) cannot tell the difference, claiming people saying water baptism is not a requirement for salvation, confusing it with and erroneously assuming and further falsely accusing us of being anti baptism, it is hard to trust that they have any real comprehension of Scripture at all, when such a simple matter eludes their understanding completely.

He cannot.

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1» Does it matter who performs the baptism?

2» Does it matter where, e.g. bathtub, swimming pool, lake, river, ocean?

3» Does the water quality matter, i.e. natural water vs treated water?
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I believe eternal life is given to disembodied souls. Consider 1 Corinthians 15:29 where people were attempting to get water baptized on behalf of dead people who, presumably, never got water baptized.

1 Cor. 15:29
29If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?

To me this reads like rhetorical questions. We know the answer is people will be resurrected. Thus the reason for the resurrection is the water baptism.

No reward for the twisting of scripture you are responsible for promoting.



You don't believe what God says though. You want to add works to the complete work of God's Son. I think you are possibly trying to convince yourself since you know the rest of us have shown you over and over that you are wrong concerning water regeneration.

What sin did Jesus commit in order to need 'sin cleansing'?

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. 14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. Matthew 3

His inward righteousness, having never sinned, was illustrated by submitting to water baptism.

It is the same for believers today. We submit to water baptism to identify with Jesus. He is righteous; we are not. We are righteous in Christ...HIS righteousness...and we proclaim our new life IN him through baptism.

It's in the Bible and could not be plainer or even easier to understand.

No one has said we do not have or should not be baptized. It is a lie every single time you say that.

A typical attempt at transference.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Consider that the sin of the world was laid upon Jesus while He was on the cross. However, not all people receive what Jesus died to provide.

The exchange between Jesus and John points out being born of water and of Spirit will be necessary for those living after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection.

John knows he needs to be baptized with the Holy Ghost by Jesus. And Jesus specifically states that water baptism is to be done to fulfill all righteousness. The rebirth as stated by Jesus includes both water baptism for remission of sin and receiving the Holy Ghost. This truth is scattered throughout scripture.

Many church denominations today have different interpretations of what the Bible says concerning baptism. A good number of church officials place a strong emphasis on baptism and how it relates to salvation. Also, because of the many different denominations in this country, we have different ways of being baptized(being dipped, sprinkled, immersion, etc.). The Bible is pretty clear in defining baptism as an act of immersion. Baptize is from a Greek word meaning, "to submerge in water." Also, baptism by immersion easily identifies Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, Christians are then baptized as a testimony of their faith. While some feel baptism takes on a more important role than faith alone, it is indeed important to the Christian faith but is not dependent upon salvation. Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves". As with every subject matter in scripture, we must take the entire text into account concerning baptism. Salvation is humility, repentance, and the transformation of a new person and not the product of one activity.

Acts 10:44-48 "While Peter spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all of them which heard the word". Receiving the Holy Spirit comes before baptism. Since only a truly saved person can have the Holy Spirit, it would seem that baptism, in this context wasn't needed for the household of Cornelious' to receive the gift of salvation. **Interesting to note that Paul was God's "chosen vessel" to preach the word to the gentiles, but Peter was the first of Jesus' disciples to preach to a gentile family. God chose Peter to bring the Word to Israel at the start of the ministry.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a verse that many turn to who support baptism as necessary for salvation. "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth now save us". If we stopped reading at this point, this would seem a bit confusing. Continuing, "(Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), by the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Clearly, we can see here that baptism cannot wash away the "filth of the flesh" or sin that is in our lives, only Jesus can.

Acts 16:30-34 and Acts 18:8 All who hear and receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ are fit candidates for baptism. Hearing, believing, and being baptized is a consistent pattern for Christians.

Acts 19:1-5 Another passage that can be confusing if we focus on just one single text in the story. This was Paul's third missionary journey in which he meets some men who were "disciples", that is believers but had been baptized under John's baptism. Notice that it is recorded that they were "believers" in Christ. Their salvation was secure, but many interpret this passage as meaning the men were not saved and were the reason why Paul had to baptize them again. This was now the church age in which Jesus left us with a "comforter", that is the Holy Spirit. The men had taken the first step in the repentance of sins, but Christians are baptized for their faith in Jesus. The men were living under the Old Testament covenant. Paul recognizes this, thus he baptized them under the new covenant.

The book of Ephesians chapter two explains salvation by grace through faith very well and never mentions baptism is a means for salvation. The Grace of God is the expression of His love toward the undeserving. Those who deserve the Lake of fire, obtain Heaven. Faith is humanity's response to God's Word and His gift of salvation. Baptism is a "work" and since chapter 2 of Ephesians tells us "not of works", one can conclude that we cannot earn our way to salvation, through baptism or any other kind of "works". When a believer submits for a baptism, they are buried as a dead person, but then raised up new. They are proclaiming their faith in Jesus' death and resurrection as the means by which they are saved from the burning Lake of fire. The unbelievers should not be baptized at all, but the saved ought to be baptized as a matter of obedience(Jesus did it) and testimony. Christian baptism should be a part of their life, but to make it a means of salvation is to muddle the Gospel of Grace.