Doctrine of Unconditional Election

True enough. If everyone was meant to be saved they wouldn't need saving . They would be in God's grace the moment they're born.

So not under the law. So we don’t have to keep any of the 10 commandments? They’re in the law.

Yes, and it is also possible to be saved in/from the womb too.

Those who were chosen in Christ before the world began, from a eternal perspective of salvation/justification are already saved/justified when they are born into this world dead in sins. But its certain they will be regenerated, called to faith in Christ sooner or later !

Paul sure was a fool going through the things he went through to make sure those already saved would get saved.

2 Corinthians 11
23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Dis Christ keep the 10 commandments and more while He lived upon the earth ?

Paul went through a lot for the elects sake ! 2 Tim 2:9-10

9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

I'm sorry, I think while I was still thinking of the question in regards to the 10 commandments, you referred to being led by the Holy Spirit to live in a "moral manner." I didn't switch gears since I believe God defines what morals are and the 10 commandments reflect morality. Is that accurate to you?

Yes. Christ never sinned even a single time. Or do you say otherwise?

Elect in this passage is the nation of Israel,

Well guess what ? When Christ kept all the commandments of God, so did everyone He was Surety Head for. So when He did, they did, and so the righteousness of the Law by Him is fulfilled in them. Just as when Adam disobeyed and they did so in him, likewise when Christ obeyed, they did so in Him. So those whom Christ lived and died for through Him keep all the commandments. Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

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Thats absolutely false , it was for mainly Gentiles. He was sent to preach to them mainly 2 Tim 1:11


Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

2 Tim 4:17

Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

In fact much of the persecution he endured was from jews because they didnt accept gentiles.

God had a election of people amongst the Gentiles !

Now that I'm awake and thinking about it, no, I don't agree with that - anything we do to attempt to satisfy law or commandment because of law or commandment, will not achieve it, in fact, it makes it work - no one is saved by their works. We can only act morally if the Holy Spirit leads us to it having given us a renewed mind, heart and associated desire, so it is by that desire and not by law. Nevertheless, no Christian can do it perfectly, but neither is their salvation placed in jeopardy by that.
For those saved, they are no longer under law.

[Gal 5:18 KJV] 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

[Heb 7:11-12 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Read Romans 6. The bottom line is who you obey- sin or righteousness. One leads to death and the other leads to life. Paul addressed the obvious question “What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!” and concluded that obeying sin ultimately leads to death.

Holiness leads to eternal life. You can’t become holy if you’re sinning all the time. Therefore, the correct response is to obey righteousness and it’s a choice.

Romans 6
22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Yes I know, but when Paul went into a new city he always went to the synagogue first to preach to the Jews in that area.

Paul said he isn’t free from God’s law, but is under Christ’s law. Do you think Paul would agree with your perspective?

Romans 7
25Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

1 Corinthians 9
21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.

Who is under the law, Bob?

Anybody who's not Born again by FAITH in the perfect SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the Cross.

Simple as that. Which DOESN'T MEAN that we shouldn't OBEY THE LAW as Christians, only that the law no longer has the power to DAMN US.

Right. And ALL others are under condemnation. From birth, being a "natural man."

By nature deserving of wrath.