Doctrine of Unconditional Election

Hello All,
I was raised Baptist, and held to an Arminian* (who so ever) view through all those years...later joined a Calvanistic church where I loved the preaching and teaching and immersed myself in it...but continued to hold to my view of the baptist upbringing......I spoke to the pastor about it and he had me read a book by R.C Sproul.... which was very in depth with scripture...My shell was begining to crack...but still not ready... I had become an understudy of a scholarly man.. and presented my argument to him....he did something I thought was incredibly strange... He lifted his Bible shoulder high pages down and dropped it to the floor... he then requested I pick it up and read 5the first page my fingers touch ....I did and to my surprise there were passages that talked about Gods complete sovereignty... I repeated the process several times with him......and became convinced after him saying... the doctrine is on EVERY page of the BIBLE... that it must be true ...and am now an unchangeable reform Bible student.....

THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!!!
Clarence

Subtract out time and eternity from the equation. That is our domain. God's perspective is always eternal. Knowing the end from the beginning.

Thus the seeming paradoxes and dilemmas. The fault lies when postulating a diminishing God's love, longsuffering, kindness and grace toward fallen men. Evidently hard-core ******ists etc fall prey to this folly.

It's a big mistake to mischaracterize the Gracious One IMO.

Luk 19:21
For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

Its crystal clear that the scriptures teach election, even unconditional election in salvation. Most people will agree that election is taught in scripture, but very few agree that its unconditional, and totally by grace and Gods sovereign good pleasure, not outside of Himself. Even the OT scripture indicates Gods sovereign prerogative in election and having mercy on whomever He will Ex 33:19

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. In this discriminatory fashion God exhibits His Glory

Now Paul alludes to this scripture in his treatise on unconditional election in Rom 9:11-16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

We learn that there is what Paul terms "the purpose of God according to election" This is a salvaic purpose,. its answering the seeming dilema as to why so many jews in national israel are being lost Rom 9:1-6

Its from this background that Paul develops his treatise on the doctirne of unconditional election, or "the purpose of God according to election"

Now let us look at what Rom 9 tells us: By writer of godsonlygospel.com "election is just not fair.

I do differ with the author regarding his statement "The saved are those who are elected by grace through faith, "

I believe the saved are those who are elected by Grace, minus the faith, but Faith being the consequent of election by grace.

However the main point is, the elect are not elected based upon any foreseen actions or deeds , good or bad, that man has done or will do, because the election of grace was made before they were born to do any actions whatsoever, thats the Apostles point.

This treatise by Paul should forever eliminate the false idea that election is based upon anything foreseen in or of the sinner. Its totally unconditional ! Its totally of Sovereign prerogative !

Amen. This is one of the places where Calvinists go off the rails. They have no conception of God's foreknowledge. He foreknows who will accept Him and He foreknows who will reject Him. A prime example of this is Judas.

SO according to you, "ELECTION" is totally arbitrary.

What do you mean by arbitrary since I didnt use that word, please explain what you mean.

Amen. This is one of the places where Calvinists go off the rails. They have no conception of God's foreknowledge. He foreknows who will accept Him and He foreknows who will reject Him. A prime example of this is Judas.

It's kinda like willy-nilly, and/or playing, eeny, meeny, miny, moe -

I didnt understand a thing you said !

Hebrews 11:6

How exactly would you catch a tiger by the toe

As a wise person on a different thread once said, that would then be a knowledge of what, not whom, but the foreknowledge is of whom, not what.

[Rom 8:29 KJV] 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

God has a foreknowledge of everything. That's how we get prophecy. Pass that on to "wise man" for me.

faith/belief is a gift given by God through spiritual rebirth, and only those given that gift will truly seek after God.

He foreknows who will accept Him and He foreknows who will reject Him. A prime example of this is Judas.

Faith/Belief is a prerequisite to salvation. It is a choice, not a "gift".

Acts 10:43
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

As I said before:

Faith/Belief is a prerequisite to salvation. It is a choice, not a "gift".

Acts 10:43
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

As I said before:

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Yes God has foreknowledge of who will believe in Him because He determined that they would

God also determined who would not believe and He would dam them for their sins.

No, He did not.

He did not. God loves all and desires that all would come to Him. You preach a false Gospel and should be ejected.
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”