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I think there must be different definitions of source, first dictionary definition I looked at is noun noun: source; plural noun: sources 1. a place, person, or thing from which something originates or can be obtained. "mackerel is a good source of fish oil" What is the source of Light...

oops I try to avoid IQ tests like the plague, I dont wont people to know how um... intelligent I am :D

I see flat earth threads, and usually pass on by, a quick skim to see if people actually believe in a flat earth(which they are entitle to if they want) I got clicked baited by the title Buzz Aldrin admitting to a 7 year old child they never went to the moon, So I had to watch to see if it as...

Oh I meant you quote that scripture. Oh I never meant you think the scriptures contradict themselves I was more agreeing with you that they dont, and others think the same its just that different people make certain verses mean different things when scripture apparently contradicts itself by...

I like hearing different views it helps me question what I think about things, you keep saying Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. which if true means that Satan is not in the world at the moment, and if its not true then the verse isnt...

Agree, Satan did nothing God did not allow him to do, and I go even further God uses Satan to accomplish His will, for example He will put Satan into power again in the last days to bring judgment upon the nations. Even Satan testing the Lord in the wilderness, It wasnt some scheme of Satan to...

Question, you have unsaved mortals who enter the MK, they populate the earth with millions of people being born, and when the 1000yrs are finished everyone is still unsaved including all the children all those who join Israel and go up to Jerusalem to worship God? If this is your view then do...

I believe Ezek 28 is directed to Satan, and I think it's describing him in a priestly role, for he had access to the mount of God, we can see the nine stones he was adorned with, nine stones that are also used in the Aaronic priesthood. Etc Ezek 28:11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 “Son of...

Very Good points in this thread about how this highlights our Lord Jesus, I am in a very small minority group of people that believe Melchizedek is actually Satan, Which for some reason people don't like the idea that Satan was a priest of the most high, that he could have been a type of the...

You say this like its the first time you have heard this? That the survivers of the Lords second coming are believers who are mortal and enter the millennial kingdom? Yep I would agree with them, its about His coming for the bride not the second advent. Amen All I know is I agree with the...

Just so you know pretrib does not have two raptures, at the end of the tribulation we see the surviving saints as those who enter as mortals to populate the millennial kingdom, our pre mill post trib brothers have all the believers removed at the Lords return and those who rejected Christ are...

Ive just caught up to whats happened here, I was just pointing out the Hint of a the pretribulation rapture in Luke 21 When Israel was waiting for its Messiah, it was expected not only that Messiah was to come but also the Lord was going to rescue Israel and bring great judgment upon the whole...

The church is mentioned in the book of Revelation for sure, as you know I believe the bride is removed before the tribulation period, my challenge to you was to show me where bouts in the tribulation period, so you need to be more specific so I may see it.

Ok why not, for Im sure if its pointed out again you will go "aha" I see it now and change your tune ;):p You know this is a straw man knowing no one believes this. So I disagree with you thinking we precede them so the answer to your question is its irrelevant for we do not precede them...

I notice that pretrib view isnt quite understood by all ill try and give it another whirl, im not trying to convince you to change your mind, Im trying to show how I view the chronolgy of events? Ive noticed pre tribbers have a good understanding of the post trib position and I find it curious...

I need to clarify what your saying, are you saying I interpret the word departure wrongly when I believe its meaning the rapture occurs at this time? Or are you saying I have removed the word departure from the bible and swapped it out with pretrib rapture? As to the first, then every believer...

This is how I read your proof verses, which are also my proof verses... let me paraphrase [1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor...

There is no issue, a post tribber can see a correlation with the day of judgment and the day of wrath and hold his position, but because pretribbers use this as a point it's better for your own position to denounce any correlation and weaken the pre trib stance 😇

Man this thread moves fast, I need some spare time to able to participate. I dont think there is an explicit verse that says the rapture is pre or post trib, just like there is no verse that says God is One and Three, yet when we read scripture it is clear there is a trinity the same with pre...

Thanks for your responses, ill refer to this post first, I see the two witness as being in their glorified bodies just from the fact A loud voice calls them up to heaven, and people see them physically going up to heaven in a cloud just like people saw the Lord ascend into heaven, To me God will...