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⁷ Yes! And who was that referring to in the above scriptures you cited, Mat 3:11 and Acts 1:5? The apostles. Read the words of John the Baptist in Luke 3:16, and Jesus words to his apostles in Luke 24:49, then the words of Peter in Acts 1:4-5, then Acts 2:1-4, then Acts 2:16-17. And then...

And furthermore, if God made exceptions continually based on the multitude of scenarios that could arise in people's lives, each exception would be contrary to his word which is not possible. If you can't trust in God's word, you can't trust in God. His Word is unchanging, and therefore, he...

All well and good, but the fact is we're baptized into Christ.

The main thing is, how does one get "in Christ" according to scripture? Once that's understood, the rest is easy to understand, and that's by being baptized into Christ: no other way according to scripture.

Read the text. Argue with Paul. It simulates Christ's death, burial, and resurrection

Great question with a simple answer. We're baptized into Christ and into his death. Romans 6:3 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Have no idea what you mean. Hearing and believing the word doesn't put you "in Christ". No scripture says nor infers that.

According to scripture baptism is ONE of the elements of salvation. I never said nor do the scriptures say or infer that's all that's necessary; it isn't, but it is as essential as belief.

At what point are you converted according to scripture? What is converted? When was the Ethiopian eunuch "converted" in Acts 8? Being obedient doesn't mean you are earning anything.

Sorry. I have already posted the entire thread as a response to someone else I just noticed. Disregard the last response to you. My apologies.

Way different! It doesn't simply ask the question, but provides concise answers by scripture.

If you don't believe you wouldn't get baptized nor do anything else relative to obedience. It's a silly argument that is seen over and over again that makes zero sense. Why would the scripture also include and is not baptized? Redundant and dumb and Jesus ain't dumb nor redundant as suggested.

Mark 16:15-16 as quoted above says it all and is enough to refute your illogical, mixed-up logic. Tell Jesus he didn't know what he was talking about. "15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be...

Yes! Belief and baptism are inextricably tied together by the conjunction, "and". One is contingent upon the other. They are not separate but rather are joined together.

But you've taken what the one said as though it states all the requirements; it doesn't nor do the others taken individually. Acts 16:31 "31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Now what if you take Romans 10:9 individually? What does it...

Please refer to my thread on this topic dated Oct 23 as my response

Continuation of my previous initial thread on this topic. There is obvious confusion and lack of understanding in what is meant by the scripture "and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Spirit)" as per Acts 2:38, versus the various miraculous spiritual gifts listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10...

You likewise don't know what you're talking about. You said " Today's water baptism is a public visible, outwardly expression, of one's inner spiritual change/dedication/commitment." Where in the bible is this found? Where do you find a distinction between "today's water baptism" and the...

One scripture, the one you cited doesn't in and of itself represent the totality of the requirements to be saved. If it did, you'd have conflicts of scripture because other scriptures say more is required. You must combine all the relative scriptures, not take just one. When you do the following...

Really? Goodbye. You make no sense.