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As usual, daily service gets conflated with salvation itself. Verses not about getting salvation are confused to be about getting it.. verses that are about getting salvation get a 'yes...but' Context is key. Who is talking to whom? What is the subject? What is the occasion for speaking...

Yes, I don't understand why many people put a biological connection to your parents as greater than being God's child. That biological connection cant be undone..but people will say Gods new birth connection to a saved person can be.

Yeah ... maintaining salvation puts the faith in yourself, not Jesus. He keeps our salvation, not us. Even when we aren't intentionally sinning..there are things we do without knowing it fully that are sinful. That is the beauty of grace from God.

I agree with a church only having saved and baptised members. Unsaved attending church - not a member of it. So yea ..got to be saved to be in a church. But where I would differ is..church and all redeemed are different entities. Anyway... The main thing is... Salvation is Jesus saving and...

Wait...1 co 12 describes the body of Christ...and it is the church at Corinth. Local and visible. That does not include all redeemed. Antioch is another local body...so is Ephesus etc. 'body' is as 'assembly, congregation' I know the majority of believers consider all redeemed to be the body...

The church is a local assembly of saved, baptised believers, covenanted together to carry out the great commission and commandment. That's what it is at Antioch , Corinth, Ephesus, Phillipi, the churches plural in Galatia etc. All believers are in the Family of God but they are not 'the...

Well .. looking at the luke warm believers being vomitted out in Revelation.. that is an entire church losing the presence of the Holy Spirit. Not individuals losing eternal life. The vomitting context is of churches. Not individuals. A Luke warm local church can lose the presence of the Holy...

We don't have the free will to leave God ..but I believe we exercise free will initially to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ at salvation. I don't agree with being converted before you believe. Neither Calvinist nor Arminian

A child of God is disciplined and rebuked when they fall into sin.. therefore they would likely discontinue in habitual sin. So therefore, it isn't a license to sin. You repeat standard issue lines that have been well and truly refuted by those who believe in eternal security. But the...

Now this is the part that many adhere to...is 'God won't leave me, but I can leave God' This is illogical..because if God won't leave you...He will stay with you when you are being rebellious. Your own parents, when you bare rebellious..if they are doing their job..would not disown you..but...

Yup.. verses about cutting off for Christians need to be compared to the fact of them having eternal life. Pruning is not destroying. Discipline is not sending to hell.. judging is not condemning for a believer

A church that goes by the bible and not mans tradition is the main point. Most especially believing Jesus is God.. that a local church is autonomous and members are already converted. Also salvation by grace thru faith in Jesus. Not all churches are ones God would give His Spirit to.

Well, in the New Testament.. the office of the prophet was still in action.. but the apostles and close associates who carried these gifts died and the Word of God was completed around AD 100 and also the Jewish temple was destroyed. Now.. 1 Corinthians 12-14 obviously encourages the pursuit...

But the argument still stands.. If I take aspirin 'for' a headache.. that is not to get the headache..but because I've already got it.

The key thing is looking at who is receiving the Holy Spirit in verses. If it is an entire group who have already believed.. then that is not about salvation, but empowerment and how a group becomes a local NT church.

Again I see the difference between individuals being indwelled and then a group of believers, already indwelled becoming a NT church

https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38.html This explains it well.

From Bible Ref: Chapter Summary Acts 2 describes the beginning of the church in three episodes. First, the Holy Spirit comes upon the Jesus-followers in Jerusalem, equipping them with the ability to teach the gospel in different languages (Acts 2:1–13). Second, Peter gives a public declaration...

It depends on whether the receiving is as an entire group to become a church or individually receiving the Spirit

The book of John has salvation before baptism all through it. The thief on the cross was not baptised. Romans 10:9-10 describes salvation without baptism. Ephesians 2:8-9 describes salvation without baptism. Plus others. Therefore the weight of scripture would say that the receiving of the...