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  1. sawdust

    Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    Thankyou. I will take a look as I have time. :)
  2. sawdust

    Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    I've given some thought to what you have presented here and I have to say I remain unconvinced at this stage. My first thought is, if this is Israel, why are the Apostles listed as the foundation? Surely Abraham, Isaac and Jacob form the foundation of Israel. Also, are not the Apostles given...
  3. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    No he is not right because he assumes freedom means "without restraint" but that is not free at all. There can only be true freedom when true authority (restraint) is exerted. Without authority there is only chaos.
  4. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    But I showed you the word translated born or begotten is not monogenes as you keep trying to tell us but is gegennemenos. You want to ignore your basic premise is wrong, go ahead. I'm moving on. Have a nice day.
  5. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    No we are not. We are born with a sin nature and that is in the body not the mind. Romans 7 could not be true if we were born with evil hearts (souls).
  6. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    And the rest of my post? Will you ignore the fact what you want begotten to mean in 1Jn.3:9 does not say monogenes?
  7. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    Yes inherited sin nature, not evil nature. Adam was not created evil nor did he become evil when sinned. You understand what inherent means, yes? It means to be born with something. We are not born evil, we are born sinners. The sin nature is a genetically formed corruption in the body, not in...
  8. sawdust

    Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    Ah I see. Ok I understand better now why you say what you say. I will need to look into it further although, I'm not sure it is quite as simple as you say. :)
  9. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    No-one said they were monogenes but the word used in 1Jn.3:9 is the same word used of believers in the other passages I quoted and is not monogenes. The verse begins with "everyone" who is born (begotten) of God. The verse clearly is speaking of believers. Jesus Christ is not everyone, He is...
  10. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    But you based yours on an error to begin with by assuming that "begotten" couldn't be referring to Christians. I showed you that is not true. Born again Christians are referred to as begotten of God.
  11. sawdust

    Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    As I said to another poster, it was my first clue when reading Revelation that God was directing someone other than the Church in those last seven years. One has to value the truth more than their own life.
  12. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    That is true but only if you leave grace out of the picture. However, grace has never been out of the picture as the Lord makes His sun to shine and his rain to fall on the good and bad alike. The heart is not inherently evil, indeed nothing in all creation is inherently evil, for if it was it...
  13. sawdust

    Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    I'm a bit lost with the meaning of your posts. :confused: I don't hold to replacement theology, I know the poster you responded to doesn't either. The Church is both Jews and Gentiles yet, are neither really, one holy nation as the Bride of Christ. Israel is a separate entity, a nation under...
  14. sawdust

    Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    Which Jewish tribe are you from? The 144,000 has nothing to do with the Church or adoption. The Church has never been referenced as "the 12 tribes of Israel". The 144,000 come from the 12 tribes, they are Jews. It was my first clue, when reading Revelation, that the end times were not about the...
  15. sawdust

    Hebrews 12 KJV

    Stick with it though and the blessing that follows the discipline is worth it. :) heb.12:11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
  16. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    How does one make a Freewill offering if one is not free to do so of their own will? Leviticus 1:3 ‘If his offering is a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish; he shall offer it of his own free will at the door of the tabernacle of meeting before the Lord...
  17. sawdust

    Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    A friend sent me a funny meme recently ... "Fairy tales used to start with 'Once upon a time' ... now they start with 'According to the experts' " ;) :ROFL:
  18. sawdust

    Gods will vs mans free will

    Yes it is about Christians. It is the same word (translated begotten) as used in Jn.3:8 and 1Jn.5:18 which is clearly talking about those born of the Spirit (ie. believers) John is saying no-one born of God can habitually practice sin (no license to sin) because belonging to God, ensures we...
  19. sawdust

    Dealing with shame and guilt?

    I imagine because in this case he is looking for an answer, not more questions.
  20. sawdust

    Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    There is only one Second Coming. It is about Christ returning to Earth to rule from Israel. The Resurrection of the Church (Rapture) is about the Church meeting Christ in the air. He does not step foot on Earth at this time. In regards to the raising of the dead (Resurrection of the Church)...