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Cee, I know you said you were tired and didn't want to argue, but you aren't giving us the level of...thought that we are accustomed to from you. It's not a complaint or dig of any sort. It's concern more than anything. I think you need rest. :)

I understood what dcon was saying. Those passages all go back and forth, first describing a human man and alternately seeming to describe more of a spirit leader or spiritual being. They are separate, not blended in so much as dcon describes it. If you examine them, you can tell where a human...

It didn't come across as belittling to me. But only you know what impatience and frustration was in your heart. I liked the post. I want to find all of the verses and compare changes between OT and NT, and see if some of them seem to be talking of the first death and some of the second death...

I'm not saying you are wrong about all things. I'm not saying you are right about all things. I'm saying, as I always do, that there are always verses and there are always verses in tension to those verses. I try to take them BOTH into account. Yes, I believe they came out of their graves...

Well...I look to understand all of the verses together. The ones I gave above seem to be in some tension to the thought that we sleep. It does also appear to me, however, that something has changed since Jesus died. Because He did not reassure the thief on the cross that he would go and sleep...

That's true. It doesn't necessarily follow. But from the rich man and lazarus, it does appear that there is some form of awareness and the story/parable takes place before the judgement, not after, because the mans brothers are still alive and on earth before the time to repent is over. There...

We have to struggle sometimes to question what we've always been told and taught. A woman was preparing dinner for her new mother-in-law. The woman came early to help her daughter-in-law with the dinner. She watched the young woman take a beautiful roast out of the refrigerator and cut off the...

I haven't looked at all of the relevant verses together on one page, so I'm not speaking out of having studied them closely, but...when God talks about those He foreknew, this doesn't necessarily mean anything except that God has seen the beginning and end of every man who will ever be born. He...

Correct. After death, and before the judgement, the parable does seem to suggest an awareness after death. Another person brought up OT verses that seem to suggest nonawareness after death. Maybe it is not the same death being spoken of in all the verses. There are two different deaths a man...

So it appears to be a human component more than a male/female component. Humans do not like to see someone weaker being abused...they have a harder time if the one being abused is weaker physically than the abuser.

There most probably were some considerations back then over the severe persecution they faced, and the fact that men cannot bear to see women tortured. They do not like to see men tortured either, but battlefield studies have been conducted wherein soldiers can bear up under seeing their...

One would expect that if Paul said we were not to think or treat one another any more after the categories of male and female, but as fellow believers and fellow members of the body of Christ, that he would not be intending to reverse this in another place where he speaks. And in other places...

Where the author says: This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, one difference in the present situation would be this: there is now no more male and female.

Please then, accept my apology for misunderstanding. I went back and read the post again and I see I misunderstood.

I don't often use wiki but this is a relatively good summation so I'll use it. Dino was referring to this. He was not insulting you with the term: the genetic fallacy. Jump to search The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue[1]) is a fallacy...

This is one way of looking at certain scriptures... I rather think that all scripture has, and has had, a temporal aspect for all men in all times, while also being spirit and eternal truth. It's the spirit of the words that avails us. Calibob, I don't believe I've met you yet. You look like a...

I see what you are trying to convey. I'm not sure that Paul, who knew there was now no more male or female, had a cultural problem, but you can be assured that there were some men present who did. The cultural problem/prejudice appears to be not with Paul, but with translators many years later...

Very true. But one scarcely knows what to do with someone who is not willing to discuss and who only immediately and quickly dismisses valid points as ridiculous while simultaneously claiming they have all truth on a matter. That just makes a difficult subject more difficult to discuss for those...

And your slightly crude jesting about "ball" with the subtle nuance/put down that you were speaking to women , did not offend me but it was relating to anatomy and could be thought offensive to some others. It was not completely respectful but I personally have much more concern with your bitter...

If someone approaches you with the thought that you are sometimes not very respectful when you disagree, it doesn't mean they are trying to insult you. It could be that they are attempting to reason with you.