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Hi powderman, What's your take on the Jews? Are they worshipping the true God with a lot of errors and false information? Or are they worshipping a false god?

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. We agree that Paul is not lying. So, the zeal of God that the Jews had, is Paul saying it is the zeal of the true God, or the zeal of a false god?

If a man does not believe in Jesus, can he have a zeal of the true God?

I think a reasonable case can be made that Muslims adore the true God. This is not to say that they are even close to the truth regarding most of the characteristics of God. I think a reasonable case can also be made that Muslims do not adore the true God. Since a reasonable case can be made...

Do you mean you don't know if the translation is correct or not? I think it is a key verse on the subject that we are discussing, so I will be glad to wait until you decide.

My interpretation of the verse is that Jews, both at the time of Paul and today, have a zeal for God, but they are blinded to many of God's characteristics. For example, they are zealous for God which we can see in the way they want to keep the law. But they don't accept Jesus, because they are...

Hi kaylagrl! What are your thoughts on Jews? Do they worship the same God as Christians? Jackson and I have been talking about this particular verse Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. How does it look to you? Do Jews have a...

Verse 2 Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

It's not a perfect analogy. Joe is telling the truth as he understands it, but the psychologist doesn't have to accept what Joe says as the truth. In a similar way, Muslims are telling the truth as they understand it, but I don't have to accept what Muslims say as the truth. This includes what...

I believe you had said earlier that this translation was correct Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. "God" is capitalized, meaning that the translator is referring to the true God. Do you still want to say that the translation...

Thank you for the definition. Here's the question I'm asking: Do you believe that Romans 10:2 is true for the Jews that were alive when Paul wrote the verse?

What version of the scriptures do you accept as reliable?

Good! I think we are making progress! Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. Do you believe that the god that the Jews had a zeal of is a false god, and that's what Paul is talking about here?

Coming to Jesus is the same as being saved, I think. I think this is an interesting verse 2 Peter 3: 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and forever. Amen. I think it shows that even after we become Christians, we...

Do you believe that the verse is true for the Jews that were alive when Paul wrote the verse?

I believe your conclusion in that post was based on part on mixing up Believe and Believe in.

Maybe a similar kind of story will help. One day Joe witnesses a bank robbery. He sees the robber in a white shirt running away from the bank. During the next few years, some people around Joe give him some misinformation about the bank robbery. They tell him that the bank robber was wearing a...

Yes, you don't accept the answer that the Hindus give you.

I agree that come to the father, or come to Jesus is figurative. I disagree that worshipping God is exactly the same as coming to the father or coming to Jesus.

Do you believe this verse is true of modern Jews? Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.