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Good! We agree that the translation is correct. Do Jews have zeal of the true God?

Good! Then you may wish to reword this post.

If we accept the answer that Jews or Muslims give us, that implies that we believe that they have accurate knowledge on the subject. But if we say that they lack accurate knowledge, then it doesn't make sense to accept what they say.

Before we know whether God's doctrine is being challenged, I think it would be good to agree on where to find God's doctrine. It sounds like you are very interested in polycarp and Ignatius. So, starting with polycarp, do you regard The Epistle of polycarp to the Philippians to be a reliable...

Again, thanks for your response, but it's not quite what I asked. Let's start here. Is this verse translated correctly? Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Thanks for your response, but it's not quite what I asked. Do you understand how English speakers use Believe and Believe in and the difference between them?

What do you regard as the authoritative Aramaic text? What do you regard as the authoritative Greek text? Possibly. My experience has been that those who begin paying a lot of attention to the early church fathers end up as Eastern Orthodox or Catholic. I'm not saying that's wrong, that's just...

I'm asking you what you believe about the Jews. Do they have a zeal of God? Do they have a zeal of the trinitarian God? I don't think we can really proceed until you come to a decision about those kinds of questions regarding Romans 10:2. But again, take your time.

Did you follow what mailmandan we're saying about the difference between Believe And Believe in ?

That's a possibility. Another possibility is that they adore the true trinitarian God, but not according to knowledge. I believe the same issue is present here Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. Do Jews have a zeal of the...

Most people say that episcopalians are Protestants, though some say they aren't. What do you currently believe? Like you, I've been to several different groups. Maybe we can learn from each other's experiences!

Generally, Protestants do not pray to Mary. But there are some people who grew up Catholic but currently attend an Episcopal Church, because they like the liberal ideas there. And sometimes they keep some Catholic practices. I was once part of an Episcopal group that also had a rosary club.

Right, and if there's something you write that I don't understand, I do ask you to clarify. Did you follow what mailmandan was saying?

I don't think a person has to believe in the Trinity to worship God. A person would have to believe in the Trinity to worship God in spirit and in truth, though. I think the issue is the same that we were talking about before Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God...

That's a good explanation of something that even native English speakers sometimes have difficulty with! (Our brother Jackson is from Indonesia.)

Oops! This And one must add or Jesus as God to worship in spirit and in truth. Should say And one must adore Jesus as God to worship in spirit and in truth.

Yes, I hear what you're saying! And that's why I specified "literal idols". Some cultures and religions set up actual physical images of their gods. Muslims don't do that, from what I've seen.

I believe you are still mixing up believing something and believing in something. James 2: 19 You believe that God is one. You do well. The demons also believe, and shudder. But it doesn't say that the demons believe in God. ************* Maybe another example will help I believe the US...

If you look at the context, I think you can see that the woman says "you Jews", and she asks a question about worship. Jesus continues her line of inquiry, saying that Samaritans are worshipping, and Jews are worshiping. Jews are better off than Samaritans, because Jews are worshiping something...

Are you saying that there are no accurate English translations of the scriptures? Or is it a particular translation you are saying doesn't match up?