About the book of Job
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All those vietnam vets get me a little teary eyed....like you say they went to hell and back.Good! I am glad that my experiences bring you smiles, for this is the full intention of the Lord. His ways are not our ways, meaning that we see His ways as backward. Such as, the death of His Saints is beautiful. That's quite a concept, considering that the vast majority of Christians fear their deaths, including myself. That said, I am learning to anticipate my death, even submitting my physical flesh to whatever form of death he has chosen. I know that regardless of how I die, it will be worth it. I've had a foot within the Door of Heaven and I can attest that how we die is absolutely irrelevant. That said, I sure hope that I do not endure the kind of torture that some of our prisoners of war have endured. My former uncle . . . 7 years in Vietnam. It is inconceivable what that man lived through.
But, I'm not sure that I view the Devil as my enemy. Instead, I view the Devil as a bolt of lightning that fell from the sky because of the Circumcision of Christ. I never, never think about the Devil and his possible impact on my life. I have no fear of Satan, but instead, I have True Fear of the Lord.
Luke 10:17-18 KJV - "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."
"Absolutely," does that make sense?
Right now, Satan is the god of this world. He is the ruler of darkness of this world. Yes, God has given him that right.
Satan is declared as our enemy.Good! I am glad that my experiences bring you smiles, for this is the full intention of the Lord. His ways are not our ways, meaning that we see His ways as backward. Such as, the death of His Saints is beautiful. That's quite a concept, considering that the vast majority of Christians fear their deaths, including myself. That said, I am learning to anticipate my death, even submitting my physical flesh to whatever form of death he has chosen. I know that regardless of how I die, it will be worth it. I've had a foot within the Door of Heaven and I can attest that how we die is absolutely irrelevant. That said, I sure hope that I do not endure the kind of torture that some of our prisoners of war have endured. My former uncle . . . 7 years in Vietnam. It is inconceivable what that man lived through.
But, I'm not sure that I view the Devil as my enemy. Instead, I view the Devil as a bolt of lightning that fell from the sky because of the Circumcision of Christ. I never, never think about the Devil and his possible impact on my life. I have no fear of Satan, but instead, I have True Fear of the Lord.
Luke 10:17-18 KJV - "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."
"Absolutely," does that make sense?
Jesus said satan comes to kill, steal ,and destroy.
He is a powerful enemy in the face of a weak church or believer.
It was he that was behind pauls suffering and persecution.
I think he meant satan can do nothing to a believer....w o permission.
Could be...like you say... Satans kingdom and mission are in place now.
I believe we are all sifted, and for good reason!
Also brings to mind the image of wheat and chaff being separated...
Thank you, PC. I really enjoyed all of your work above. I think that what I was saying, though, is that it wasn't until after God had unleashed Satan that Job began to unravel, in my opinion. Yes, the Lord had no issues with Job prior to Satan's arrival, but it was after Satan began to do the amazing things he did that Job's attitude was troublesome.
I always feel like I'm hard on Job and think to myself that if I go back and read his thoughts that are directed to the Lord, that I would perhaps feel better about Job . . . I find that I don't (and it doesn't matter which translation I use). My last reading through Job was through the amazing Jewish Tanakh, and sure enough, Job seems so rude to the Lord, almost as if Job had never had any real Spiritual experience with Him. Its as if when the Lord replied to Job that he began to grasp the True reality of God. I can relate to that idea (if that idea is True.) Short explanation:
My earliest memories of life include my "belief" in God and I really believed that my Faith and ideas of Faith were genuine. But, the incredible Spiritual experience that I had within the Arizona desert completely changed my scope of the reality of God. This was the moment that I realized my mud-puddle-like Faith. My Faith was shallow and muddy . . . very unclear. I get the feeling that Job experienced something like that when the Lord began to reply to Job. It was after the Lord replied to the Job that Job's unsavory attitude began to change . . . and there [is] a change. As said, this is precisely what happened to me. I realized that my Faith was not founded upon a solid foundation, but founded on a Gospel that was not complete at all. Absolutely, Job was much more Holy and Righteous than I, I was Truly a piece of sinful trash.
I don't know. I guess I just find it interesting that in all of Job's response . . . he didn't sin. To me, it appears that he sinned, thus I wonder if perhaps there was some sort of human translation error. Having experienced the Lord as I have, to the degree that if I had felt more of His Power, Peace, and Love, that my physical body would have been somehow altered, I cannot imagine having the thoughts that he had about God. Since my experience with Him, I know that it doesn't matter what happens to me in the world, even should I lose ALL things, including my total freedom, I would never speak the things that came from Job's mouth. It is impossible that I would think as he thought. Also, when I read the work of Paul, I can see that he never says anything like what Job had said. Regardless of Pauls being beaten to the point of likely death, being naked, shipwrecked, abandoned by all in the province of Asai, for example, he never said anything like what Job said.
Thanks for reading . . . I love to write and could go on and on about this. I guess that I love our Father so much that it hurts to read of Job's views of Him. Job seemed to have so little Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding.
IF I have offended anyone by what I wrote above, please accept my apologies. I am only writing from my heart.
That's exactly what I mean . . . Job is, in essence, saying that he does not agree with the Eternal Plan of God. I can understand, but instead of complaining and saying something so juvenile, I simply ask the Lord to just take me home. Like Paul, who wanted to go home and be with Christ, this is how I feel. Saying that "I just wish I were never born" reminds me of myself as a whiner and complainer versus someone who understands that the Lord will eventually reward us for Enduring with a positive, healthy attitude.
1 Peter 5:10 NLT - "In his kindness God called you to share in his eternal glory by means of Christ Jesus. So after you have suffered a little while, he will restore, support, and strengthen you, and he will place you on a firm foundation."
Job didn't seem to understand 1 Pet 5:10 above, but I do. I get it, so I don't say things like "I wish I were never born!"
Fortunately, the torture of Christ was a matter of hours compared to year after year after year. Imagine being on your knees for days until bubbles of fluid built up and would thus pop. If you fell asleep on your knees, it was a guaranteed beating beyond imagination. They stayed on their knees for days on end. And that's just the beginning.
To support you, Paul prayed to God that He would remove the thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan that was tormenting him, Paul. I cannot hide the fact that he wrote it.
I believe we are all sifted, and for good reason!
Also brings to mind the image of wheat and chaff being separated...
Right! And this is a Blessing from God, not a destructive work of Satan. If I read you correctly, it seems that's what you're indicating. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
I will answer you when I reach the chapters concerned. I am waiting for my words about chapter two to appear on the forum.
I was simply responding to this statement: "I hate being wrong . . . but it seems that I might be".
If I have done something to offend you, either of today or of the past, please forgive me. Please give me the chance to correct my wrongs. I am very, very sorry if I have done something to cause you to be aggressive towards me. I'm sure that it is my fault.
Yes. But I'm bummed. I'm not fond of the idea of being available to Satan. That brings me no comfort at all.
AND, it means that so much of my writings (and videos) are in error. Whew . . . discouraging. I'm questing whether or not I should write anything at all anymore. It is unacceptable for me to be wrong about the Lord's Truth.
1 Corinthians 13:9 Context
6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
You are simply misunderstanding my response and you have done nothing wrong. Just like Job and Paul were attacked by Satan, all Christians are subject to Satanic attacks. My response had nothing personal, but just a general observation to clarify what you had posted..
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