Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture
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That is no different from Catholic dogma requiring that Catholics accept the official teaching of the Catholic "church" as authoritative.
It's also misguided, and equally dangerous.
Nothing in Scripture says or implies that we were "created as vegetarians".
What Scripture does say is that God gave Adam and Eve plants to eat. That's it, that's all. You (The SDA's) have made it a dogma and ignored other relevant passages.
Can you please distinguish the difference between vegetarians and a plant based diet? You know humor me? lol
Relevant passages after the flood, or before the flood? I would like to watch this mental gymnastics take place.
Definitely. He also ate delicious fish and multiplied it for everyone else to eat. If He would have wanted anyone to be vegetarian, He would’ve only multiplied the bread.
I'm sorry, you guys are making this to easy.
What's the difference between created as vegetarians, verses later allowed to eat meat? Jeopardy timer... Of course Jesus eat fish, it was mostly likely 100% Kosher, had fins and scales. I'm gonna guess it wasn't shrimp, crab, or lobster. Just a wild guess on my part.
So, basically the rational is, that since the flood sort of wiped all the fruits and vegetables, God allowed meat, since Noah and his family would of starved, if not for this allowance.
Genesis 9
1And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. 2The fear and dread of you will fall on every living creature on the earth, every bird of the air, every creature that crawls on the ground, and all the fish of the sea. They are delivered into your hand. 3Everything that lives and moves will be food for you; just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you all things.
You skeptics are out of your league, I'm sorry. I would recommend a full surrender, but if you want to continue being cannon fodder, go right ahead. Don't say, I didn't warn you.
I will once again say, SDA are like head and shoulders in Bible knowledge, above most Baptist and Non-denominations. They are probably the most intelligent of the denominations, that's my honest opinion.
I'm not SDA, but I can recognize wisdom. Most people have no idea.
I will once again say, SDA are like head and shoulders in Bible knowledge, above most Baptist and Non-denominations. They are probably the most intelligent of the denominations, that's my honest opinion.
I'm not SDA, but I can recognize wisdom. Most people have no idea.
This is a classic logical fallacy, guilt by association. I would hope to see better from you, maybe your deciding to set the bar much lower now.
Please prove your point in detail and show how other churches, that are not mention above differ.
A perfect example of the church dictating the doctrines rather than the apostles simple teaching.
Especially in the case of the Gentiles (the uncircumcised); what a disaster.
The church throughout church history completely destroyed that simple gospel of grace.
Saved by grace through faith and not of yourselves it is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8).
Why can something so simple as a free gift of salvation by grace become so deeply twisted?
I think I get it know. People get hung up on this and create fairy tales in their head, on why it's not Biblical. We are like God's pets in a sense, HE is watching over us, and loving us. If HIS people run away and don't want anything to do with HIM, than that is of course noted in some sort of way.
If there ever was some skepticism, it would of course be the date, but it will be pretty hard to prove it wrong in the grand scheme of things. I totally get it. This thread is just a bully thread and skeptics just want to poke fun of SDA. That is a shame.
If that is the case, and certainly does by the posts in here, wow, just wow!
Because they would rather follow Ellen’s advice from a vision she didn’t have. She actually took many other people’s info and made it her vision. The SDA are also partially to blame for America’s food pyramid being upside down for so long. While pretending to be a prophet, she sat back and became almost rich off plagiarism and ruining the diet standards. She technically didn’t become rich though since she died with a massive amount of debt. Here’s a brief overview.
The Real Sources of the Health Message
Ellen White’s 1863 "vision" almost perfectly mirrored the books already sitting on her shelf. She didn't discover these truths; she just gave them a religious stamp of approval.
Ellen G. White Writings +2
- Sylvester Graham: Known for the "Graham Cracker," he was already preaching against meat, white flour, and "stimulating" spices in the 1830s—30 years before Ellen’s vision. He believed a vegetarian diet was the original plan for mankind in the Garden of Eden.
- Dr. James Caleb Jackson: He operated a famous health resort in New York called "Our Home on the Hillside." He practiced hydrotherapy (water cures) and a meatless diet long before the Adventists. Ellen White actually visited his facility in 1864 and later adopted many of his principles.
- L.B. Coles: A physician who wrote Philosophy of Health (1851). Researchers have found significant evidence that Ellen White used Coles' writings, often mirroring his specific ideas and arguments while claiming they were "shown" to her in vision.
- Joseph Bates: An early Adventist leader who was a strict vegetarian and teetotaler beforehe ever met Ellen White. His lifestyle influence on the early church was already well-established before her 1863 "health vision."
Andrews University +6
The "Corruption" of American Dietary Standards
The reason the American diet shifted toward processed grains and "meat alternatives" isn't because of unbiased science—it was a deliberate move by the Battle Creek Sanitarium and its followers to institutionalize their religious beliefs.
- Lenna Frances Cooper: She was a student and protégé of John Harvey Kellogg at the Battle Creek Sanitarium and eventually became its Chief Dietitian. In 1917, she co-founded the American Dietetic Association (now the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics).
- Institutionalizing the "Message": Cooper used her position as a founder and the first director of the Battle Creek School of Home Economics to train over 500 dietitians in SDA-style vegetarianism. Her textbook, The New Cookery (1913), featured the exact vegetarian medical therapy used at the Sanitarium.
- Systemic Bias: By 1988, the American Dietetic Association’s position paper on vegetarianism was written and reviewed primarily by Seventh-day Adventists or those with deep ties to the SDA health food industry. This religious ideology has shaped U.S. dietary guidelines for over a century, favoring grains and "fake meats" over red meat and animal fats.
eatrightPR
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Here is how they became a major factor in the "inverted" food pyramid and the resulting health crisis:
- Founding the Experts:
Lenna Frances Cooper
, the Chief Dietitian of the SDA Battle Creek Sanitarium and a protégé of
John Harvey Kellogg
, co-founded the American Dietetic Association (now the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics) in 1917. This gave the SDA "health message" a professional platform to influence national standards for over a century. - The Grain-Heavy Pyramid: The 1992 USDA Food Pyramid placed 6–11 servings of bread, cereal, rice, and pasta at the base while demonizing fats and meats. This mirrors Ellen White's claim that "grains, fruits, nuts, and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator".
- The "Scam" of the Century: Critics argue that by institutionalizing a high-carb, grain-based diet, the SDA and its partners helped trigger the obesity and diabetes epidemic. When people swapped nutrient-dense animal fats for refined grains and ultra-processed seed oils, metabolic health crashed nationwide.
- Biased Research: Much of the "proof" for these guidelines came from the Adventist Health Studies at Loma Linda University. While they claim vegetarians live longer, recent re-evaluations show that ultra-processed foods are the real killers, and that animal products like meat, eggs, and dairy were not actually associated with higher mortality.
MDPI +9
Logical .... to eat flesh = death of animals
The world was perfect and death did not exist until sin entered.
Before sin entered we were vegetarian.
Killing animals was not part of the plan.
But Sin = death and everything changed.
when the LORD God commanded man, saying, did He say "Of every pork chop", or "tree of the garden" thou mayest freely eat:
God said nothing about eating meat in the beginning. God knows what is best.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 3:18-19
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Every logical reasonable person knows that we were created vegetarian..
The Catholic Church is the mother of all the churches.
Have you not read church history?
Revelation 17:15-18
And he said to me, “The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes
and nations and tongues. And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot
and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. For God
has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving
their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled. The woman whom you saw is
the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
Revelation 18:4-5
I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate
in her sins and receive of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has
remembered her iniquities.
Romans 18:7
...for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as a queen and I am not a widow, and will never see mourning.
Rome is that all powerful city.
The Vatican sits on the seven hills of Rome.
The Catholic Church claims to be the only true apostolic church and the bride of Christ.
The Lord's people are in that Catholic Church organization and the daughter church organizations.
The Lord's people are told to leave the Harlot.
This is sloppy. You seem to be conflating making predictions based on faulty Bible interpretation with 'prophecy'.
Making predictions is 'prophecy' according to a secular definition. But isn't the Biblical use of the term.
As a former Roman Catholic who left that Church, got saved by the grace of God, I agree with you.
Ellen Gould White's new books are considered authoritative as Paul's epistles.
Their primary dogma of Investigative Judgements are as hard core works salvation as the Catholic Sacraments.
So, I think your choice of the word "dangerous ' is appropriate since those false teachings lead people to hell.
I totally get it. It's totally not a make or break issue, that some have posted on. I think I was trying to understand the criticism of it, rather than what investigative judgement is. This is non-issue. I think the only questionable thing is the date, but this isn't an issue for me.
Obviously God is the judge. How is HE gonna judge us, if their is no judgement?!?! This is such a non-issue. People are just tripping. I get it now, people just hate the SDA church. I'm not gonna listen to nay-sayers anymore, than can hate all day long, don't care.
I tell you what, Ellen White's writings are no joke. That stuff is heavy! Another issue, that really is a non-issue. I mean people should be freak'n out about the Catholic church, because it is rotten to the core, and people want to rip on SDA church. So silly!
If someone compiled a documents and historical records of the complete history of the Catholic Church, I'm sure people will cry their eyes out. Why people are devoted to the Catholic Church is just ignorance, in my opinion. It's bad, real bad. Bad news.
I found this video a must watch, it's like wake up call type. Must see video right here. I was tempted not to post it, because people are being mean in here. It's so good though, I highly recommend this one.