alter personalities MPD

[GaryA]

The psychologist would have no problems telling how. They don't hide what they're doing. They count on others to learn how to do it better.

"That is not the way it happens in the real world..."

 

[GaryA]

Thank you so much. I tried to think of a way to say this but was not able to form it good enough. Thank you

"You are very welcome..."

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

When dealing with MPD which is the preferred term to me and best describes the subject at hand ...

The DSM-IV-TR and the DSM-5 afterward have identified the ailment as Dissociative Identity Disorder because MPD is not an accurate description of the broadened criteria and the way DID presents itself. It was thought when the disorder was known as MPD that everyone suffering from it had at least two, if not more, separate and distinct personalities, complete with different names and life histories, but all tied to the so-called "host."

DID is the best description of the malady, which does not have to, as was originally thought, present different "people" within the same psyche. DID is now known to show more subtle transitions, and not so much from personalities as it moves to differing moods and attitudes. Personalities differentials can still be presented, but they do not have to be for DID to be diagnosed. Also, unlike as in the past, the patient him or herself can validly self-report such transitions, whereas previously the therapist or close friends and family had to report them for a valid diagnosis of the old MPD classification.

... you have to realize that there reality is different than ours. When they close there eyes in most cases it is not just the eyelids they see but a world beyond your imagination. The mind is a wonderful thing. In some cases while I am ministering to those with mpd the Lord allows me to see what they see and to lead them out of the dark and dreary dungeons they are in and into a garden where they can have peace and see the beauty that God has for them. I have asked on many occasions for the Lord to tear down what they see and replace it with other things to take out bad things and give them good. Without getting descriptive its hard to relay what I want and get across the transformation that can take place with prayer that availeth much.

Are you qualified to be dealing with DID patients? Do you have at least a Masters in psychology? Do you have a state-issued and state-mandated license? Are you trained psychiatrically or psychologically? I am.

I have a Masters degree in behavioral psychology from the University of Missouri, and a Masters in Counseling from Midwest Baptist Theological Seminary. I'm licensed in Missouri and Kansas as an addictions therapist and a marriage and family therapist, and even with those qualifications I would not presume to be able to provide therapy to someone suffering from DID. A pastor, no matter how well-trained in biblical or nouthetic counseling -- even with the proper state-required educational background -- would never presume to be qualified to assist someone legitimately suffering from DID, and most certainly a layperson should not do so.

Do you realize that nearly 90% of DID patients have been sexually, physically (i.e., sexually), and emotionally abused as very young children, to the point they can't remember the abuse? It is not, as may fake and previously diagnosed MPD clients presented themselves, a matter of suppressing the memory. They were too young to be able to remember, but the psychological, emotional and spiritual scarring nonetheless took deep root.

It requires someone with a great deal of experience in and knowledge of the dissociative disorders in general and DID in particular to adequately treat such clients, and preferably someone with the proper training in mental health provision. If you are claiming to be able to treat or help these individuals, I sincerely hope you not only rely upon the guidance and sustenance of the Good Lord, but also have received adequate educational training and supervised coordination to do so. Otherwise, I guarantee, with the Lord's help or not, you are doing more harm than good.

The fact you continue to call it MPD is indicative of the likelihood you do not have either. I would urge you to cease and desist, referring DID clients to licensed therapists who know what they are doing. I do not doubt the Lord's ability to help them. I doubt yours, even if you believe you are in His power.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

What is a split personality disorder? Once someone has created these multiple expressions of identity can they ever be brought back together?

That's a lay term, not a valid diagnosis. It dates back to the '40s, when someone decided that's what schizophrenia was -- it isn't.

I have no training other than other ministers.

I missed this before posting before. In that case, you're a charlatan as surely as is Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, or Oral Roberts. Your state should investigate your so-called "ministry."

I know of the change of DID but most people do not and I wanted to use a term that most would be familiar with. Wow you've diagnosed someone DID. If I came to this site to brag about my experience operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit in this field I would divulge so much to you here that will put you and your entire graduating class and all of your professors as well to shame.

I seriously doubt that. More likely it would be a recounting of the kind of side-show routines we see among the aforementioned televangelists -- but without even the faked "evidence" of their television shows to back them up.

An alter can not be cast out. It is impossible. They can be locked up or moved or given a better environment to surround themselves in but can not be cast out. I know all about integration. I have to be careful on what I do say about cases I do not want to trigger anyone or cause harm. Treating DID is not what Jesus wants done it is full integration.

That's more or less true, but it is no more than you could get reading a Wikipedia article. I suspect that is exactly what you've done to put this thread together.

I will send you a private message and hope that we can continue this conversation. I do not think it would be beneficial in this environment. Please and thank you.

Don't message me after these two posts. I'll report you for harassment and ask the mods to investigate you as a spammer, perhaps worse. You need to be banned from this site. You're a fake.

 

[microscoped]

The DSM-IV-TR and the DSM-5 afterward have identified the ailment as Dissociative Identity Disorder because MPD is not an accurate description of the broadened criteria and the way DID presents itself. It was thought when the disorder was known as MPD that everyone suffering from it had at least two, if not more, separate and distinct personalities, complete with different names and life histories, but all tied to the so-called "host."

DID is the best description of the malady, which does not have to, as was originally thought, present different "people" within the same psyche. DID is now known to show more subtle transitions, and not so much from personalities as it moves to differing moods and attitudes. Personalities differentials can still be presented, but they do not have to be for DID to be diagnosed. Also, unlike as in the past, the patient him or herself can validly self-report such transitions, whereas previously the therapist or close friends and family had to report them for a valid diagnosis of the old MPD classification.

Are you qualified to be dealing with DID patients? Do you have at least a Masters in psychology? Do you have a state-issued and state-mandated license? Are you trained psychiatrically or psychologically? I am.

I have a Masters degree in behavioral psychology from the University of Missouri, and a Masters in Counseling from Midwest Baptist Theological Seminary. I'm licensed in Missouri and Kansas as an addictions therapist and a marriage and family therapist, and even with those qualifications I would not presume to be able to provide therapy to someone suffering from DID. A pastor, no matter how well-trained in biblical or nouthetic counseling -- even with the proper state-required educational background -- would never presume to be qualified to assist someone legitimately suffering from DID, and most certainly a layperson should not do so.

Do you realize that nearly 90% of DID patients have been sexually, physically (i.e., sexually), and emotionally abused as very young children, to the point they can't remember the abuse? It is not, as may fake and previously diagnosed MPD clients presented themselves, a matter of suppressing the memory. They were too young to be able to remember, but the psychological, emotional and spiritual scarring nonetheless took deep root.

It requires someone with a great deal of experience in and knowledge of the dissociative disorders in general and DID in particular to adequately treat such clients, and preferably someone with the proper training in mental health provision. If you are claiming to be able to treat or help these individuals, I sincerely hope you not only rely upon the guidance and sustenance of the Good Lord, but also have received adequate educational training and supervised coordination to do so. Otherwise, I guarantee, with the Lord's help or not, you are doing more harm than good.

The fact you continue to call it MPD is indicative of the likelihood you do not have either. I would urge you to cease and desist, referring DID clients to licensed therapists who know what they are doing. I do not doubt the Lord's ability to help them. I doubt yours, even if you believe you are in His power.

I start merely with this. All the classes and schools have nothing on Gods wisdom and knowledge. To say that even with Gods help I am doing more harm you seem to forget how powerful God is and if someone gets out of the way and allows God to work He can accomplish more. I hold to mpd because like I say it best describes what I have encountered than what the expert say DID is. You say 90 % do not remember I have to disagree per my experience and it is 90 % that do remember. I think closer attention needs to be paid to each alter and as they switch to determine who remembers what one alter may not know of the trauma to the others. However you are right a great majority is from sexual abuse And is only prevelant if the first abuse was in the really early ages. You ask if I sm qualified. Besides you thinking I am not qualified and my definition of mpd being closer to what it is I have encountered. You say it takes someone with a great deal if knowledge to deal with this. Do you discount that the gift of knowledge spoken of in 1 st Corinthians can give someone the knowledge that surpasses the scholars for the people God sends there way? And I would like to end with this thread is based on biblical knowledge not scholarly knowledge. If you can point out biblically that I am wrong then that would be something to address

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I start merely with this. All the classes and schools have nothing on Gods wisdom and knowledge.

You're absolutely right. But from your OP and your other posts, I can safely pronounce you devoid of either.

To say that even with Gods help I am doing more harm you seem to forget how powerful God is and if someone gets out of the way and allows God to work He can accomplish more.

On the contrary, I call attention to how arrogant and full of yourself you are to presume to do the work of the professional counselor and claim "God is working through me," when I know full well from my own experience that, though God works through me constantly, He blesses me because I honored Him in getting the education that enables me to allow Him to do so.

I hold to mpd because like I say it best describes what I have encountered than what the expert say DID is.

Proving only that you're clueless as well as arrogant.

You say 90 % do not remember I have to disagree per my experience and it is 90 % that do remember.

Then you are dealing with people who are bigger charlatans than you.

I think closer attention needs to be paid to each alter and as they switch to determine who remembers what one alter may not know of the trauma to the others.

You offend legitimate DID patients with your careless tossing around of proper terminology without any real knowledge of what you're saying.

However you are right ...

Imagine how thrilled I am you think so ... not.

... a great majority is from sexual abuse And is only prevelant if the first abuse was in the really early ages. You ask if I sm qualified. Besides you thinking I am not qualified and my definition of mpd being closer to what it is I have encountered. You say it takes someone with a great deal if knowledge to deal with this. Do you discount that the gift of knowledge spoken of in 1 st Corinthians can give someone the knowledge that surpasses the scholars for the people God sends there way?

Yes, I do, because I know -- again, from my own experience -- that the education and training under clinical supervision goes hand in hand with God's guidance, inspiration, and guidance to make me a successful therapist and counselor. You can lay claim to God's power all you want, and you can delude yourself into thinking you feel Him working through you, but God has not zapped you with the clinical knowledge you require to be able to do what you claim you do.

I believe you to be a fraud, coming on here making audacious claims that likely have no grounding in truth. It isn't that God couldn't -- even wouldn't -- so "zap" you, but I can tell from your posts that He has not. I don't even have to speak with you in person or observe your "therapy" to know that.

And I would like to end with this thread is based on biblical knowledge not scholarly knowledge.

Then it is based on your own perceptions, arrogantly credited to God when He has had nothing to do with them.

If you can point out biblically that I am wrong then that would be something to address

Be careful of what you ask for. I'll give it to you.

In biblical times there was not the wide range of medicines available to us today and yet the Bible is not devoid of positive reference to the use of medicine. For their medicinal qualities, the good Samaritan used wine as an antiseptic and oil as a healing balm (Luke 10:34). Paul urged Timothy to use wine to help a stomach condition (1 Timothy 5:23). Again, this is using medicine. Interestingly, Paul refers to "Luke, the beloved physician" (Colossians 4:14). He does not say, "beloved Luke, who used to be a physician before he discovered the power of Christ."

Surprisingly, Proverbs 31:6, 7 refers to using alcohol as an anti-depressant. Christians would be horrified to think of anyone becoming an alcoholic or using marijuana, but substitute a prescribed drug that could have even worse effects in terms of addiction and side effects and health risks, and many Christians see no problem. We call plumbers, electricians, HVAC specialists, but balk at doctors and nurses, as though calling them would somehow be against God's will.

There is a story told when discussions like this come up in Southern Baptist seminaries. A missionary’s monthly allowance failed to reach her. For quite a while all she had to eat was oats. To make matters worse, she was sick. Where was God? When she later returned to her home country she mentioned this to a doctor, who happened to also know about the serious stomach condition she had had at that time. The doctor informed her that not only was oats the ideal diet for such a condition, a normal diet could have killed her. Clearly, the Lord had amazingly protected her, but why did He use what I'm sure you would describe as "convoluted means"?

You, sir, lead people astray by claiming God is all that is necessary for healing. You lie, and you most likely have no contact with anyone suffering from DID. If you did attempt to treat someone with the disorder, the state would have long ago stepped in and arrested you, because you have no business passing yourself off as someone capable of counseling in that venue. You think God supernaturally empowers you to "know" what you need to know, when in fact you are nothing more than a callous liar passing yourself off on this forum as someone specially endowed by Him. You disgust me, and I'm done here.

If anyone wants to contact me for more and actually legitimate information on DID, my PMs are open.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

I start merely with this. All the classes and schools have nothing on Gods wisdom and knowledge. To say that even with Gods help I am doing more harm you seem to forget how powerful God is and if someone gets out of the way and allows God to work He can accomplish more. I hold to mpd because like I say it best describes what I have encountered than what the expert say DID is. You say 90 % do not remember I have to disagree per my experience and it is 90 % that do remember. I think closer attention needs to be paid to each alter and as they switch to determine who remembers what one alter may not know of the trauma to the others. However you are right a great majority is from sexual abuse And is only prevelant if the first abuse was in the really early ages. You ask if I sm qualified. Besides you thinking I am not qualified and my definition of mpd being closer to what it is I have encountered. You say it takes someone with a great deal if knowledge to deal with this. Do you discount that the gift of knowledge spoken of in 1 st Corinthians can give someone the knowledge that surpasses the scholars for the people God sends there way? And I would like to end with this thread is based on biblical knowledge not scholarly knowledge. If you can point out biblically that I am wrong then that would be something to address

You started another thread/OP asking if a believer could be possessed and stated matter of factually you were a "TRAINED DELIVERANCE MINISTER AND CAST OUT DEMONS" we went round and round and I effectively debunked you as a fraud there. This was because not anything you stated lined up with God's word and when I brought up scriptures to you, you continued to argue and debate context and provided no scripture to base your so called demon hunting on.

You proclaimed to one poster over on that OP that the gifts of the Holy Spirit you operate in, she could not,which completely is against the Word. You continued blathering on about how you test he spirits according to 1 John 4.1-3, despite the fact that this is not in context with dealing with demonized people. Because in proper context John was teaching the church in most if not all of 1 John about how to identify gnostic doctrine.

You never once stood on the Word in your defense, but continued to throw the Word out and exalt yourself and your self called,self proclaimed demon hunting ministry.

You were shown that there is no Biblical basis for a specialized, stand alone Deliverance ministry, that only specializes in delivering people from evil spirits and demons. You refuted this and then changed your story and told us you were an evangelist , now out of season.

You were also shown how Jesus dealt with those that were demonized and that he only asked for demons to speak once.
You denied this and continued to tell us that we were wrong. You were shown scriptures that prove you are wrong and continued to defend yourself without ever standing on the Word.

Now you are over here and proving what I have said all along on the other OP:

Those that call themselves trained deliverance ministers are neither.

You are in serious demonic deception and have no business ministering to anyone. Especially if you are going through divorce. If you were "called" to minister to sexually abused women only over the phone and online, I have to wonder if this is a reason for your divorce.

You are like the posters on military websites that pose as Special Operations Force Operators. We call those that do this posers, for they steal the reputation of men that have BTDT and earned the rep.


You are a poser in the kingdom and whatever good you think you have done, has probably put many in demonic torment at best and flat out oppression and loss of faith at worse.

Friend, Proverbs 25.14 warns us of people like you:

prov 25.14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Like clouds and wind without rain
Is a man who boasts [SUP][a][/SUP]of his gifts falsely.

 

[damombomb]

Jesus said:
Matt 11:28"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Luke 4
18The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim freedom to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set free the oppressed, 19to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.

 

[microscoped]

You're absolutely right. But from your OP and your other posts, I can safely pronounce you devoid of either.

On the contrary, I call attention to how arrogant and full of yourself you are to presume to do the work of the professional counselor and claim "God is working through me," when I know full well from my own experience that, though God works through me constantly, He blesses me because I honored Him in getting the education that enables me to allow Him to do so.

Proving only that you're clueless as well as arrogant.

Then you are dealing with people who are bigger charlatans than you.

You offend legitimate DID patients with your careless tossing around of proper terminology without any real knowledge of what you're saying.

Imagine how thrilled I am you think so ... not.

Yes, I do, because I know -- again, from my own experience -- that the education and training under clinical supervision goes hand in hand with God's guidance, inspiration, and guidance to make me a successful therapist and counselor. You can lay claim to God's power all you want, and you can delude yourself into thinking you feel Him working through you, but God has not zapped you with the clinical knowledge you require to be able to do what you claim you do.

I believe you to be a fraud, coming on here making audacious claims that likely have no grounding in truth. It isn't that God couldn't -- even wouldn't -- so "zap" you, but I can tell from your posts that He has not. I don't even have to speak with you in person or observe your "therapy" to know that.

Then it is based on your own perceptions, arrogantly credited to God when He has had nothing to do with them.

Be careful of what you ask for. I'll give it to you.

In biblical times there was not the wide range of medicines available to us today and yet the Bible is not devoid of positive reference to the use of medicine. For their medicinal qualities, the good Samaritan used wine as an antiseptic and oil as a healing balm (Luke 10:34). Paul urged Timothy to use wine to help a stomach condition (1 Timothy 5:23). Again, this is using medicine. Interestingly, Paul refers to "Luke, the beloved physician" (Colossians 4:14). He does not say, "beloved Luke, who used to be a physician before he discovered the power of Christ."

Surprisingly, Proverbs 31:6, 7 refers to using alcohol as an anti-depressant. Christians would be horrified to think of anyone becoming an alcoholic or using marijuana, but substitute a prescribed drug that could have even worse effects in terms of addiction and side effects and health risks, and many Christians see no problem. We call plumbers, electricians, HVAC specialists, but balk at doctors and nurses, as though calling them would somehow be against God's will.

There is a story told when discussions like this come up in Southern Baptist seminaries. A missionary’s monthly allowance failed to reach her. For quite a while all she had to eat was oats. To make matters worse, she was sick. Where was God? When she later returned to her home country she mentioned this to a doctor, who happened to also know about the serious stomach condition she had had at that time. The doctor informed her that not only was oats the ideal diet for such a condition, a normal diet could have killed her. Clearly, the Lord had amazingly protected her, but why did He use what I'm sure you would describe as "convoluted means"?

You, sir, lead people astray by claiming God is all that is necessary for healing. You lie, and you most likely have no contact with anyone suffering from DID. If you did attempt to treat someone with the disorder, the state would have long ago stepped in and arrested you, because you have no business passing yourself off as someone capable of counseling in that venue. You think God supernaturally empowers you to "know" what you need to know, when in fact you are nothing more than a callous liar passing yourself off on this forum as someone specially endowed by Him. You disgust me, and I'm done here.

If anyone wants to contact me for more and actually legitimate information on DID, my PMs are open.

Your medicine does not heal. Throwing medicine at people only makes things long term that through God can be shirt term. I hears a saying once and that is if we healed those who were sick the charlatan doctors would have no job. Or something along those lines. Among my colleagues I have a high standing I only wish someone in your profession would take the time and see what really truly works for healing. You still have no biblical arguments to say what I am doing is wrong.

 

[GaryA]

That's a lay term, ...

You're a fake.

So --- a 'fake' is any person who does not have [ at least ] a 'Professional' man-made illuminati-style satanic-world-system-approved Master's Degree in a related field of study...???

This is the PRIDE of those have been 'ordained' by the world system that is run by Satan. Those who are too indoctrinated by that system ( I did not say everyone... ) will do multiples more harm than good --- because, they are "trained" by the illuminati to "uphold, maintain, and support" ( without even knowing it ) that which creates many ( most? ) of these multiples in the first place.

I am not saying that I totally agree with microscoped -- I personally think he is being a bit careless.

However, I do know this beyond a shadow of a doubt --- the satanic-world-system has managed to succeed in convincing the masses that "only we ( those 'ordained' by the system ) are 'qualified, authorized, and capable' of helping [ whoever with whatever ] -- this includes doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc. -- all of these "professions" have been 'established' in order to take common sense and power away from the average citizen - who, in many cases, can / may be perfectly 'qualified, authorized, and capable' of performing [ whatever ] "all by themselves" - without having to have a 'professional' to tell them what common sense should make abundantly clear...

Don't get me wrong - I am speaking in general here. I am not advocating that anyone who "has a whim" to 'perform' a particular 'profession' just simply go about it with wreckless regard without accepting the responsibility of making sure that you know what you are doing -- especially if it can adversely affect someone else ( which is virtually always ). However, ( as an example ) there should not be any mandate for a home-owner to call a plumber or electrician if they are certain they can do the work themselves safely - and, are willing to accept the responsibility that goes with it. There are many people out there who are perfectly capable of doing plumbing and electrical work safely "all by themselves" - without a 'professional'. Again, this is just an example to make a point --- by no means am I trying to [ directly ] compare a 'trade' type of 'profession' to something like the subject matter of this thread.

The 'calling' and the 'doing' define the 'profession' - not a piece of paper on the wall. ( And, interestingly enough, many of these 'professions' call what they do "practice"... ) And, this is precisely what I am getting at -- it is not the piece of paper that gives the capability. ( God gives all knowledge, understanding, and ability. ) There are many with a piece of paper who do not know what they are doing - and destroying lives in their wake...

"Should some of these 'professions' be regulated? Well --- that depends..."

I know enough about this subject to understand more-than-most the contents of the conversation in this thread - including a lot of things that the average reader will miss. However, I do not believe that I would "presume" to know enough to "jump right in" and try to help a multiple without extreme care - if ever at all. I know how dangerous it can be - and why.

And, this is why I believe that this thread should be in the Conspiracy & Corruption Discussion Forum - where it could [ at least ] not be seen by anyone not logged into CC.

I "lobbied" from the time I first became a member of CC ( 'GRA', ~3 years ago ? ) to get the site to create a forum that could only be seen by those logged into CC - and not by anyone "in the outside world" - for the sake of being able to discuss "highly sensitive" issues without having to worry about "the outside world" - where we [ at least ] know [ the limitations of ] who can read it or who has read it. ( "Many thanks to the site crew for creating that forum." ) Now that we have it -- I highly suggest that we keep "highly sensitive" threads like this one in that forum -- for reasons that those who understand what I am talking about would probably agree...

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Your medicine does not heal. Throwing medicine at people only makes things long term that through God can be shirt term. I hears a saying once and that is if we healed those who were sick the charlatan doctors would have no job. Or something along those lines. Among my colleagues I have a high standing I only wish someone in your profession would take the time and see what really truly works for healing. You still have no biblical arguments to say what I am doing is wrong.

and in both threads you have still not provided a biblical argument that says what you are doing is right.

I wonder if one of the reasons for your divorce is because you privately counseled sexually assaulted women over the phone and online only.

No man of God would ever put themselves in this kind of trap. NONE!

 

[microscoped]

You started another thread/OP asking if a believer could be possessed and stated matter of factually you were a "TRAINED DELIVERANCE MINISTER AND CAST OUT DEMONS" we went round and round and I effectively debunked you as a fraud there. This was because not anything you stated lined up with God's word and when I brought up scriptures to you, you continued to argue and debate context and provided no scripture to base your so called demon hunting on.

You proclaimed to one poster over on that OP that the gifts of the Holy Spirit you operate in, she could not,which completely is against the Word. You continued blathering on about how you test he spirits according to 1 John 4.1-3, despite the fact that this is not in context with dealing with demonized people. Because in proper context John was teaching the church in most if not all of 1 John about how to identify gnostic doctrine.

You never once stood on the Word in your defense, but continued to throw the Word out and exalt yourself and your self called,self proclaimed demon hunting ministry.

You were shown that there is no Biblical basis for a specialized, stand alone Deliverance ministry, that only specializes in delivering people from evil spirits and demons. You refuted this and then changed your story and told us you were an evangelist , now out of season.

You were also shown how Jesus dealt with those that were demonized and that he only asked for demons to speak once.
You denied this and continued to tell us that we were wrong. You were shown scriptures that prove you are wrong and continued to defend yourself without ever standing on the Word.

Now you are over here and proving what I have said all along on the other OP:

Those that call themselves trained deliverance ministers are neither.

You are in serious demonic deception and have no business ministering to anyone. Especially if you are going through divorce. If you were "called" to minister to sexually abused women only over the phone and online, I have to wonder if this is a reason for your divorce.

You are like the posters on military websites that pose as Special Operations Force Operators. We call those that do this posers, for they steal the reputation of men that have BTDT and earned the rep.


You are a poser in the kingdom and whatever good you think you have done, has probably put many in demonic torment at best and flat out oppression and loss of faith at worse.

Friend, Proverbs 25.14 warns us of people like you:

prov 25.14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Like clouds and wind without rain
Is a man who boasts [SUP][a][/SUP]of his gifts falsely.

Nothing you have said here is remotely true. I will not continue to make the same arguments since you fail to read the entirety of the thread but want to skip around. Read it all and then make your arguments afterward.

 

[atwhatcost]

I was asked how I knew and what gave them up not how I minister.

Right. And you cloak yourself with patient confidentiality to avoid answering either. There's the problem. Those can be answered without bringing up anything about a person. You won't.

 

[microscoped]

So --- a 'fake' is any person who does not have [ at least ] a 'Professional' man-made illuminati-style satanic-world-system-approved Master's Degree in a related field of study...???

This is the PRIDE of those have been 'ordained' by the world system that is run by Satan. Those who are too indoctrinated by that system ( I did not say everyone... ) will do multiples more harm than good --- because, they are "trained" by the illuminati to "uphold, maintain, and support" ( without even knowing it ) that which creates many ( most? ) of these multiples in the first place.

I am not saying that I totally agree with microscoped -- I personally think he is being a bit careless.

However, I do know this beyond a shadow of a doubt --- the satanic-world-system has managed to succeed in convincing the masses that "only we ( those 'ordained' by the system ) are 'qualified, authorized, and capable' of helping [ whoever with whatever ] -- this includes doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc. -- all of these "professions" have been 'established' in order to take common sense and power away from the average citizen - who, in many cases, can / may be perfectly 'qualified, authorized, and capable' of performing [ whatever ] "all by themselves" - without having to have a 'professional' to tell them what common sense should make abundantly clear...

Don't get me wrong - I am speaking in general here. I am not advocating that anyone who "has a whim" to 'perform' a particular 'profession' just simply go about it with wreckless regard without accepting the responsibility of making sure that you know what you are doing -- especially if it can adversely affect someone else ( which is virtually always ). However, ( as an example ) there should not be any mandate for a home-owner to call a plumber or electrician if they are certain they can do the work themselves safely - and, are willing to accept the responsibility that goes with it. There are many people out there who are perfectly capable of doing plumbing and electrical work safely "all by themselves" - without a 'professional'. Again, this is just an example to make a point --- by no means am I trying to [ directly ] compare a 'trade' type of 'profession' to something like the subject matter of this thread.

The 'calling' and the 'doing' define the 'profession' - not a piece of paper on the wall. ( And, interestingly enough, many of these 'professions' call what they do "practice"... ) And, this is precisely what I am getting at -- it is not the piece of paper that gives the capability. ( God gives all knowledge, understanding, and ability. ) There are many with a piece of paper who do not know what they are doing - and destroying lives in their wake...

"Should some of these 'professions' be regulated? Well --- that depends..."

I know enough about this subject to understand more-than-most the contents of the conversation in this thread - including a lot of things that the average reader will miss. However, I do not believe that I would "presume" to know enough to "jump right in" and try to help a multiple without extreme care - if ever at all. I know how dangerous it can be - and why.

And, this is why I believe that this thread should be in the Conspiracy & Corruption Discussion Forum - where it could [ at least ] not be seen by anyone not logged into CC.

I "lobbied" from the time I first became a member of CC ( 'GRA', ~3 years ago ? ) to get the site to create a forum that could only be seen by those logged into CC - and not by anyone "in the outside world" - for the sake of being able to discuss "highly sensitive" issues without having to worry about "the outside world" - where we [ at least ] know [ the limitations of ] who can read it or who has read it. ( "Many thanks to the site crew for creating that forum." ) Now that we have it -- I highly suggest that we keep "highly sensitive" threads like this one in that forum -- for reasons that those who understand what I am talking about would probably agree...

I agree. I will start fresh there.

 

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I remember when I was a teenager, watching one of those talk shows about couples where the wife had MPD. One of them talked about how when one personality manifested itself, scratches would appear on the woman's skin. It sure sounded supernatural to me.

Someone who doesn't believe that demons exist or demonize (closer to the Greek than 'possess') people might explain it all away with mental illness.

I would not blame all mental illness on demons. At the end of Matthew 4, Jesus cures those who are brought to Him, including those who were afflicted by unclean spirits and those who were 'lunatick'-- in the language of the KJV. Demonized and 'lunatick' are listed as separate categories

If a psychologists say someone has MPD, I don't know for sure that it's demonic in nature. But if someone is demonized and manifests a demonic personality speaking through him or her, I suspect it is likely that a psychologies just might identify that as MPD or dissacosiative personality disorder, or whatever they call it these days. If a modern secular psychologist saw a demoniac in Jesus day, he might attribute the personality issues to this disorder, and attribute the ability to break chains or beat up seven sons of priests to adrenaline.

As far as "Biblical" approaches are concerned, prayer is something we can do for any kind of affliction or ailment. It there is a demon actually manifesting itself, then commanding it to come out in Jesus name would seem to be the application of apostolic example in scripture.

I know someone who had both. The demons were removed. Given the mental disorders were ignored, she never got better, and there is a likelihood the demons became Legend. This is my fear with all of this -- one side or the other is "treated" without any expert knowledge, so it sets up the person for worse.

 

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and in both threads you have still not provided a biblical argument that says what you are doing is right.

I wonder if one of the reasons for your divorce is because you privately counseled sexually assaulted women over the phone and online only.

No man of God would ever put themselves in this kind of trap. NONE!

The word of God says the ministry will put families against each other. I have kept for the most part online and over the phone for a purpose one to ease the persons fear and also to cater to my wife who was somewhat OK with ministering in this fassion. My passion like many others is because of my sympathetic feelings towards sexually abused people since I was. God has placed me into a ministry that I really enjoy and always desire more of.

 

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and in both threads you have still not provided a biblical argument that says what you are doing is right.

I wonder if one of the reasons for your divorce is because you privately counseled sexually assaulted women over the phone and online only.

No man of God would ever put themselves in this kind of trap. NONE!

If you read all my posts in this thread you will see the one with verses to back up my position.

 

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Right. And you cloak yourself with patient confidentiality to avoid answering either. There's the problem. Those can be answered without bringing up anything about a person. You won't.

You will see Gary answered this and I confirmed

 

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By "picking up on the clues" that are present in the way people talk, and what they say... If you have enough pertinent knowledge about a particular "arena" ( like MPD / DID ), you are able to "detect" things that are not readily seen by those who do not possess that knowledge.

EDIT: I am not trying to boast any particular knowledge; I am only saying that I understand the truth of what I have written above.

I get that. But, considering micro says most of this is done online or by phone too many clues can't be seen. This is why counseling is face-to-face. Body language tells what words do not. That's half of my concern!

 

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I know someone who had both. The demons were removed. Given the mental disorders were ignored, she never got better, and there is a likelihood the demons became Legend. This is my fear with all of this -- one side or the other is "treated" without any expert knowledge, so it sets up the person for worse.

Hence the deliverance ministry that is designed to take care of both.