Becomes Trump a dictator?

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Anyone who has vetted people for security clearance knows that their personal relationships are critical. Do they do things that open them up to blackmail? Do they visit bars and pick up people they then sleep with? If either is true they are a security risk.

So yes, anyone who is telegraphing that this might be their case has given me reason to be suspicious.

Likewise Hunter Biden using drugs, that is a major red flag. He is dealing with criminals, he is opening himself up to blackmail. People who do drugs do foolish things. They lie on applications to buy a gun. They get paranoid, put all the incriminating evidence on a computer and then forget they gave it to a repair man.

Likewise, the CEO of FTX is a convicted felon, convicted for money laundering and giving money to political campaigns. That makes all those who took the money from him suspect.

So, sorry Tamarisk you have no clue about vetting people for security and yet you are making a whole lot of noise about it.
Someone’s appearance does not indicate what they do in their private life. That is a stereotype.

Elon Musk has said openly for years that he uses drugs.

There is no possible way he could ever get the security clearance. If he did, it’s because he paid for it it’s not because he qualified. Because as you stated. “ people who use drug drugs do foolish things”
 

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Anyone who has vetted people for security clearance knows that their personal relationships are critical. Do they do things that open them up to blackmail? Do they visit bars and pick up people they then sleep with? If either is true they are a security risk.

So yes, anyone who is telegraphing that this might be their case has given me reason to be suspicious.

Likewise Hunter Biden using drugs, that is a major red flag. He is dealing with criminals, he is opening himself up to blackmail. People who do drugs do foolish things. They lie on applications to buy a gun. They get paranoid, put all the incriminating evidence on a computer and then forget they gave it to a repair man.

Likewise, the CEO of FTX is a convicted felon, convicted for money laundering and giving money to political campaigns. That makes all those who took the money from him suspect.

So, sorry Tamarisk you have no clue about vetting people for security and yet you are making a whole lot of noise about it.
Sure seems weird to me that people who know nothing about vetting people for security clearance like Tamarisk and never said a peep about it the last four years when a drug addict was cutting deals with the President of the US and selling his paintings for 500k just because he had access to the president, are now so concerned about security clearance of people who are uncovering hundreds of billions of dollars of fraudulent spending of our tax dollars.
 

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Someone’s appearance does not indicate what they do in their private life. That is a stereotype.

Elon Musk has said openly for years that he uses drugs.

There is no possible way he could ever get the security clearance. If he did, it’s because he paid for it it’s not because he qualified. Because as you stated. “ people who use drug drugs do foolish things”
Seriously? A person has prison tatoos, you aren't going to ask questions about that?

Vetting a person for security clearance involves a comprehensive background investigation, including checks on their criminal history, credit history, employment history, education, personal relationships, foreign contacts, and financial stability, to assess whether they can be trusted with access to classified information and are not susceptible to blackmail or coercion; the depth of this investigation depends on the level of security clearance required.

History of drug abuse and mental health issues.
 

ZNP

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It seems like that’s part of the issue. At this point it’s unknown if musk or his staffers have proper security clearance to be doing what they’re doing.
I'm sorry, you lecture me about how we are not to check if a trans person has been properly vetted for security and yet what is your basis for saying this? What a hypocrite.

I have no problem with vetting people and being suspicious of people who are doing jobs involving money and classified material. But the idea that you are not suspicious of people like Hunter Biden a drug addict with access to the President and yet now you are, that is simply weird. It is almost as though you still want hundreds of billions of dollars to be wasted and used fraudulently. That sounds completely absurd, but there seems no other reason why you are suddenly suspicious other than the fact they are finding a lot of waste and fraud, which is their job.
 

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I agree. If people at very high positions in the government are now taking issue with DOGE and questioning security clearances they definitely would be pointing out anyone who did not have the security clearance to do the job they were doing.

I don't know how many times in the UAP hearings the Congress persons, both Republican and Democrat ask where and how the different organizations and programs were even getting their funding when that all had to be approved by Congress and the answer every time was that they could not speak publicly but afterwards in a SCIF they would address some of their questions in regards. Tim Burchett spoke of this multiple times saying he fell for going into two SCIF's before he realized he then was obligated by law to never speak publicly of what he then knew. DOGE is not doing this if you notice but instead following the financial trails and so unlike a SCIF situation the things they find they can reveal.
 

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I don't know how many times in the UAP hearings the Congress persons, both Republican and Democrat ask where and how the different organizations and programs were even getting their funding when that all had to be approved by Congress and the answer every time was that they could not speak publicly but afterwards in a SCIF they would address some of their questions in regards. Tim Burchett spoke of this multiple times saying he fell for going into two SCIF's before he realized he then was obligated by law to never speak publicly of what he then knew. DOGE is not doing this if you notice but instead following the financial trails and so unlike a SCIF situation the things they find they can reveal.
Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 

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Matthew 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, 17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. 18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

I understand people being concerned about having a security clearance before you can come into contact with classified information. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the people who tell us to stop being concerned about that when we talk about staffers at the Whitehouse, or Hunter Biden being a drug addict and having access to his father, or Joe Biden having dementia while being president are now telling us to be concerned about DOGE because they are discovering hundreds of billions of dollars of waste and fraud? Does that make any sense?
 

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Back in April 2011 NASA gave SpaceX a 75 mil. contract which is before Trumps first term which is about the time he was vetted and received clearance in the US for those looking.
 

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Sure seems weird to me that people who know nothing about vetting people for security clearance like Tamarisk and never said a peep about it the last four years when a drug addict was cutting deals with the President of the US and selling his paintings for 500k just because he had access to the president, are now so concerned about security clearance of people who are uncovering hundreds of billions of dollars of fraudulent spending of our tax dollars.
You keep making a strawman of my beliefs. Would you like to know what I believe? because I believe things similar to you.

I’m a truther who believes that our current government system is corrupt but it’s probably the least corrupt system we have. The people in government are corrupt however, the system separates the powers and mitigates the corruption.

When someone, even if they were a truther gets into the oval office. They become corrupt and no longer can be trusted.

I just haven’t changed my beliefs after Trump came onto the scene.

I used to listen to Alex Jones going back to the 90s with his public access show and documentaries.

He was saying this very thing for two decades. And then Trump comes on his show and announces his candidacy and Alex endorsed him. I was listening that day and at that point I knew that Alex had become compromised because it went against everything he ever said.

The truth movement was never political. Many of us didn’t talk about our personal political beliefs in terms of who we voted for we all
I'm sorry, you lecture me about how we are not to check if a trans person has been properly vetted for security and yet what is your basis for saying this? What a hypocrite.

I have no problem with vetting people and being suspicious of people who are doing jobs involving money and classified material. But the idea that you are not suspicious of people like Hunter Biden a drug addict with access to the President and yet now you are, that is simply weird. It is almost as though you still want hundreds of billions of dollars to be wasted and used fraudulently. That sounds completely absurd, but there seems no other reason why you are suddenly suspicious other than the fact they are finding a lot of waste and fraud, which is their job.
No, I’m sorry that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that we need to vet all people. I was addressing your claim that you believed they were not vetted because of their appearance.

I apologize if I lectured you and I will thank about it and try to change the way I communicate to be less condescending.

I strive to treat others how I would want to be treated, but I don’t always succeeded.

Please bear with my humanity and forgive me as I stumble. And I will do the same thing to you.
 

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Matthew 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, 17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. 18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

I understand people being concerned about having a security clearance before you can come into contact with classified information. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the people who tell us to stop being concerned about that when we talk about staffers at the Whitehouse, or Hunter Biden being a drug addict and having access to his father, or Joe Biden having dementia while being president are now telling us to be concerned about DOGE because they are discovering hundreds of billions of dollars of waste and fraud? Does that make any sense?

I see two groups of reason one is where social media players debate about the things circulating over SM. And then there's those in higher places making statements because things they have hidden from the public's view could be comprised if DOGE stumbles across them. Hundreds of billions of dollars of waste and fraud is an extremely broad statement unless they are putting handcuffs on the players exposed in the investigation. Then again 80 million dollars worth of SS checks and 40 million in condoms could fund a rather large government program you intend on no one knowing about.
 

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I see two groups of reason one is where social media players debate about the things circulating over SM. And then there's those in higher places making statements because things they have hidden from the public's view could be comprised if DOGE stumbles across them. Hundreds of billions of dollars of waste and fraud is an extremely broad statement unless they are putting handcuffs on the players exposed in the investigation. Then again 80 million dollars worth of SS checks and 40 million in condoms could fund a rather large government program you intend on no one knowing about.
DOGE is not going to put handcuffs on anyone, they don't have the authority. The AG and FBI would both be in a position to do that. Instead DOGE has the authority to make recommendations to the President, he in turn can cut off funding to agencies under his control. Congress gets to check into anything the President is doing, Senate can create investigations as well. If anyone thinks he is acting inappropriately they can bring that to the courts.
 

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You keep making a strawman of my beliefs. Would you like to know what I believe? because I believe things similar to you.

I’m a truther who believes that our current government system is corrupt but it’s probably the least corrupt system we have. The people in government are corrupt however, the system separates the powers and mitigates the corruption.

When someone, even if they were a truther gets into the oval office. They become corrupt and no longer can be trusted.

I just haven’t changed my beliefs after Trump came onto the scene.

I used to listen to Alex Jones going back to the 90s with his public access show and documentaries.

He was saying this very thing for two decades. And then Trump comes on his show and announces his candidacy and Alex endorsed him. I was listening that day and at that point I knew that Alex had become compromised because it went against everything he ever said.

The truth movement was never political. Many of us didn’t talk about our personal political beliefs in terms of who we voted for we all
What I believe is that the whole world lies in the evil one. That no one gets to even run for president if they are not supported by these elites. Being the least corrupt is like saying "it is the glass with the least poison". It has only taken 250 years for the US to become exceedingly corrupt. World government is an experiment, they will try everything only to confirm the fact that only Jesus is worthy. However the US being as corrupt like Sodom and Gomorrah will cause this pendulum to swing back towards a Muslim caliphate after the rapture with the Antichrist being in charge. I don't see the US as the least corrupt, instead I see them as the most deceitful and the ones who will be setting the table for the Antichrist, who will be worse than Hitler was.

Yes Trump is a Freemason, and yes, Elon Musk is paving the way for the Antichrist and the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast is putting his name on the animals that belong to him. Interestingly, the number for neuralink is 666. I don't believe in coincidences.

But it was of God that Biden was president and it is of God that Trump is now president. Elon Musk, like John the Baptist, eats locusts and that is what DOGE is doing, they are eating locusts.

No, I’m sorry that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that we need to vet all people. I was addressing your claim that you believed they were not vetted because of their appearance.

I apologize if I lectured you and I will thank about it and try to change the way I communicate to be less condescending.

I strive to treat others how I would want to be treated, but I don’t always succeeded.

Please bear with my humanity and forgive me as I stumble. And I will do the same thing to you.
OK, that is fair.
 

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DOGE is not going to put handcuffs on anyone, they don't have the authority. The AG and FBI would both be in a position to do that. Instead DOGE has the authority to make recommendations to the President, he in turn can cut off funding to agencies under his control. Congress gets to check into anything the President is doing, Senate can create investigations as well. If anyone thinks he is acting inappropriately they can bring that to the courts.

Sure I know how it works the only thing I would add is what I said a while back about letting the proverbial genie out of the bottle and not being able to put it back in. In that case Mr. Musk may be introduced to one of the several Mr. T.S.'s.
 

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DOGE has a fatal flaw

Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

They are trying to clean up the corruption without repenting to God.

42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

They are trying to clean up corruption based on their own wisdom without listening to the words of the Lord

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Why do people pay money to the Mob for protection? Why not just stop paying it?

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Because if they stop the Mob comes back and beats them to a pulp. When I listen to people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer I hear fear in their voices, I read between the lines and they are clearly saying if you don't pay these people they will come back and beat us to a pulp.
 

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I dont know how you americans see this. In europe at seems that Trump and Musk doing everything for to fight against democracy and freedom to encrease their own Power and influence.
In America there are checks and balances. Congress ( The House of Representatives, and the Senate), and the Supreme court have a say about whether "Executive orders" are legal and Constitutional.

America HAS NEVER BEEN, and has no desire to be a "Democracy". In a Democracy, the MINORITY has no voice.

We are a "Constitutional Republic".
 

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Pardon me for not making my reply clear. I was replying to this statement that you made.

“Very likely it’s constitutional , but TBD eventually by the Supreme Court.“
Where were the Democrats when THEIR boys claimed they were going to cut and reorganize the government waste fraud and abuse? This is how you KNOW the Dems and media are BS:

https://x.com/RepEricBurlison/status/1889708544380834139
 

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They are trying to clean up the corruption without repenting to God.
They can't identify fraud, mismanagement, incompetency, theft, laziness, stupidity without repenting toward God? I'd argue that they are doing Him and all people a service by bringing things back in line with His standards.

They are trying to clean up corruption based on their own wisdom without listening to the words of the Lord
See first answer. The irony in humanity is that most people inherently know many of His standards, function by them, desire others to function by them, even though they say they don't believe in Him. Human conscience. Thank God.
 

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They can't identify fraud, mismanagement, incompetency, theft, laziness, stupidity without repenting toward God? I'd argue that they are doing Him and all people a service by bringing things back in line with His standards.



See first answer. The irony in humanity is that most people inherently know many of His standards, function by them, desire others to function by them, even though they say they don't believe in Him. Human conscience. Thank God.
No one is turning to Jesus, the judgement that is coming on the US is from Jesus. Yes, they are casting out demons, but if you don't replace that with the Holy Spirit you have created a vacuum and it will be filled with a seven fold worse demonic possession.
 

Tamarisk

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That information has been available to the public. We know about those programs and we know that this government was going to attempt to end them. This is not a surprise.

What I’m talking about is the claims of total corruption like Democrats providing Social Security numbers to illegals to vote. Senators, putting illegals up in luxury hotels.

That would be illegal activity that shouldn’t even be commented on in public until there’s an indictment.

So far accusations like this are unfounded.

If these things are actually happening, I want to see the evidence, I want to see them held accountable.