ma'am,
would it be fair to say that you worship Christ in a little different way on Dec25?
DECEMBER 25?
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ma'am,
would it be fair to say that you worship Christ in a little different way on Dec25?
Matthew 7: 7-9
[FONT="]7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.[/FONT]
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FreeNChrist
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You think we Christians are ignorant of these things?? Not only are we not ignorant of them, we have deliberately taken those things and turned them to good. It's what God does....and we are the people of God.
yes sir, I know what you mean.
I just don't know if that is acceptable to God, based on what I read in His Word.
Agreed, but we are never in Scripture commanded to celebrate Christ's birth. Christians came up with that through the years and it has become tradition. Why December 25th? Maybe to combat the tradition of the pagan celebration as mentioned in the thread. Whatever is the case, I do think we have borrowed some of the "fun" traditions from the pagan traditions and put a "Christian" spin on them. Don't get me started on Santa. That's another topic, lol.
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CeileDe
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FreeNChrist
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Acceptable? It is God's very M.O.. To take what is meant for evil and turn it to good.
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CeileDe
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A ritual "is a sequence of activities involving gestures, words, and objects, performed in a sequestered place, and performed according to set sequence." Ritualsmay be prescribed by the traditions of a community, including a religious community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual
sir, didn't you already say that you decorate a Christmas tree?
or do I have you mixed up with someone else?
I could be wrong.
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CeileDe
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Sure I do but it isn't a ritual lol. So do you think decorating a house is a ritual? Maybe I should remove my furniture from my home.
I don't think He wants us to take pagan holy days, and ignore His Holy Days.
in my opinion.
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CeileDe
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haha. Well we actually don't open gifts the same way every year and that would be a tradition not a ritual
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Miri
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How sad that whether they realise it or not, most of planet earth celebrates
the birth of Christ. (Even those that don't believe in God know the reason behind the
season).
While so called Christians try to come up with reasons not to celebrate it.
Shakes head in disbelief.
the birth of Christ. (Even those that don't believe in God know the reason behind the
season).
While so called Christians try to come up with reasons not to celebrate it.
Shakes head in disbelief.
Another day, another spit in Jesus' face, compliments of DM.
Newsflash: Everyday is Easter. Try focusing on that.
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Amazing-Grace
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Not a ritual at all - it's tradition, the tradition of celebrating the birth of Christ.
I say no!
We don't even have a life without Him. Christ is everything!
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
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CeileDe
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Well I guess all of us Christmas celebrating fool are going to burn in hell. Do you even look at yourself in the mirror and see the error in your own beliefs and thoughts? You sound just like a Pharisee.
Okay, it seems like this is a good a place as any to put my take on it, written several years ago (2008) after having Torah folk having gotten in my face for over two years regarding the celebration of the birth of Christ:
Christ’s Birth – Why It’s Okay to Celebrate
Okay. Before all you holiday purists start hurling comments based on the title alone, hear me out.
I know all about the pagan influences and the date-setting and the sun worship and . . . well, all that stuff that takes what for me is the simple celebration of the birth of my Saviour and turns it into something ugly and evil. Some of you will maintain that “Christmas” IS ugly and evil! And I get where you’re coming from, really I do. And in the spirit of Romans 14, I’m okay with that. I would never dream to try to convince you that you should celebrate something that you don’t believe you should.
I’ve thought about this quite a bit this past year, and I just want to share with you where I am in that thought process.
The short answer for me is this:
God made a pretty big deal out of the birth of His Son.
Angel visitations to Mary and Joseph, to the shepherds, the summoning of kings from far away (with a special “star” hung in the sky, no less) . . . the divine protection of the baby and child Jesus from the evil King Herod.
What am I celebrating?
I’m celebrating the willingness of God to come in the flesh to walk among us, love us, teach us, and then do the work of the Cross for us. And how did He choose to come in human form? As an obviously powerful King? Did he ride down majestically on the clouds, announcing His kingdom was at hand?
No . . . He came in the most vulnerable human form, actually taking on humanity through the seed of Mary while maintaining His Godhood through the Seed of the Holy Spirit.
I’m celebrating the birth and gift of Hope and Life to the world.
Having given birth seven times myself, I reflect on Mary’s obedience and courage as a young woman. Having had relatively easy births with my children, I wonder what Mary’s “birth story” is (a favorite topic among moms of many). Before I had children of my own, I thought how sad it was that Mary had to go through the birth thing the way she did, the traveling, the no Inn thing, the giving birth with the animals around thing.
But now, having had easy births with all but one of my children (the other one was wonderful, just really, really hard!), I like to think that God must have blessed Mary with a wonderful birth experience. Understand that I understand that my thoughts are total conjecture in this area, but given the circumstances, I think they’re in line with the character of God to have abundant grace and mercy on Mary in birthing Jesus. After all, she was giving birth to His Son. And she had been willing and obedient under difficult circumstances . . . I just think He may have blessed her with a wonderful birth!
There is something quite amazing about birthing a baby. It’s hard work, and there is pain, but for some the pain is brief, and labor can actually be enjoyable! The progressive work of the intensifying contractions, the process of knowing new life is soon coming into the world, getting to meet the one you’ve carried for so long face to face . . . and that you get to be a part of it! It can be such a profound experience!
And then when that little baby is birthed! Oh my! The wonder! The joy! The amazement of what God has done! And that’s just what I’ve felt at the birth of my ownchildren. I can hardly imagine the glory that must have been in the place where Jesuswas born! And the feelings of wonder and joy that Mary must have felt as the baby King Jesus was placed in her arms and nursed at her breasts. All mixed in with the gravity of being charged with the care of this child who would in adulthood save us from our sins and give us new life . . . Oh my . . .
What an amazing event – the coming of God in the flesh to dwell among those He created and to eventually provide for their redemption. To celebrate those things – that’s what I think it’s okay to do.Do we hang lights? Make special food? Sing and listen to special songs? Put up a Nativity scene? Have a *gasp* tree? Yes, we do. NONE of those things signify anything pagan for us. They are not a part of worship. They are part ofcelebrating. I don’t know where the tradition of baking a birthday cake or putting up decorations to celebrate birthdays came from, but for us, it’s simply a celebration. A time to be glad. To take joy in the immense gift from God as He came to us in the flesh. A time to commemorate the real event that happened so long ago, that has such an impact on us as believers today.
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Luke 2:1-33 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David) to be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, “Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.”
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.”
And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, “Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.”
And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.
But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the LORD,
Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord, And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law.
Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, “Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.”
And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
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