do we or dont we follow the sabbath?

[hermanodaniel]

2 Corinthians 13:8 "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth."

Refusing to love the truth will still glorify God no matter what for His truth prevails over the countless lies! Even the lies serve to magnify the truth! Thank God! All glory, honor and praise be to Him alone!

 

[Wall]

2 Corinthians 13:8 "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth."

Refusing to love the truth will still glorify God no matter what for His truth prevails over the countless lies! Even the lies serve to magnify the truth! Thank God! All glory, honor and praise be to Him alone!

Psalm 119:151 (KJV)
[SUP]151 [/SUP]Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.


Not sure about your point but i am about His

 

[Laodicea]

2 Corinthians 13:8 "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth."

Refusing to love the truth will still glorify God no matter what for His truth prevails over the countless lies! Even the lies serve to magnify the truth! Thank God! All glory, honor and praise be to Him alone!

That is true the truth about the Sabbath of the Lord will always be there regardless of the false doctrine that we no longer have to keep it. The Bible says the Sabbath of the Lord will be kept in the New earth.

 

[Laodicea]

WRONG, the commands Christ refer to was His John 13:34-35 Context is key. Please go back and reread what I posted previously this is the common mistake made by many. John defined what those commands here and here John 6:28-29 John 13:34-35 and 1 John 3:23 shows exactly that.

Christ said He was the I AM and it was the I AM who gave the 10 commandments.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here it is in Hebrew, the last word, always reading from the right, is the first person singular imperative of to be, and the verb here is transitive (active.) In other words before Abraham I am (will to be.) Always grabbed my deepest attention and respect of Yahweh, amen.Joh 8:58 ויאמר אליהם ישוע אמן אמן אני אמר לכם בטרם היות אברהם אני הייתי׃

Christ said He was the I AM and it was the I AM who gave the 10 commandments.

 

[homwardbound]

Then you belong to Paul and I belong to Jesus Christ. Is this what you are saying. There is really not a lot of sense in what you are posting. Jesus Christ does give us rest from the burdens weighed out by the hypocrites, but you will not find anywhere in the Word where Jesus teaches that He is the Sabbath. Also, as for your previous post intimating I am saying you are in sin, read it closely, it does not, however if your conscience is not clear in the sight of the Father, then perhaps you are in sin. I cannot say.

Matthew 12:1[ Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath ] At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

 

[Wall]

That is true the truth about the Sabbath of the Lord will always be there regardless of the false doctrine that we no longer have to keep it. The Bible says the Sabbath of the Lord will be kept in the New earth.

Christians were actually givin many warnings about the bad guys and what they would do. The warnings are all around the new testament. Unfortunately early christians did not have access to bibles as we do and took their lead from the catholic church.

1 PETER 5 [8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a ROARING LION, walketh about, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR:

Watch out for these roaring lions!

MATT.7 [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are RAVENING WOLVES.

Beware of false these prophets. They are RAVENING WOLVES. Also implied here is that “the many” will follow these false prophets and but a few will take the way of life.

ACTS 20 [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous WOLVES ENTER IN among you, not sparing the flock.[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES after them.

The GRIEVOUS WOLVES were there from the beginning

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth WALK NOT AS OTHER GENTILES walk, in the VANITY of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all UNCLEANNESS with GREEDINESS.

Well, I found all these warnings from the new testament in one scripture. The Day of the Lord scriptures are so great. Since “that day” has not yet arrived no one can claim that the scripture is for ancient Israel and does not apply to christians. Day of the Lord scriptures do apply to christians (those who believe that Jesus came) and these scriptures will come to pass. To see what these ROARING LIONS and RAVENOUS WOLVES have done, simply read and believe the Word.

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is A CONSPIRACY OF HER PROPHETS in the midst thereof, like a ROARING LION ravening the prey; THEY HAVE DEVOURED SOULS; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] HER PRIESTS HAVE VIOLATED MY LAW, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN, and HAVE HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like WOLVES RAVENING THE PREY, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get DISHONEST GAIN.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, SEEING VANITY, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

A conspiracy of the prophets. HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS! They meant to do it and they sure did pull it off despite the warnings

 

[JaumeJ]

This does not say Jesus replaces the 7th day. Also, as indicated by Laodicea, Jesus did say he is I Am, and I Am is the One Who gave us the gift of the Sabbath. Jesus obeyed unto death, and this means He observed the commandments. My friend you are dragging this out to ridiculous lengths considering it is only recently men of little scruples began teaching this heresy that we are no longer to look to the commandments for the treasure of the wisdeon contianed in the. He who teaches against the least of these laws will be the least in the Kingdom, and the commandment to keep the seventh day holy (separate) is hardly one of the least. Beware of what you purport to others who already know the Lord, if they be weak, you may cause one to stumble.[QUOTE=homwardbound;958288]Matthew 12:1[ Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath ] At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.[/QUOTE]

 

[homwardbound]

If rooted in Christ, Himself is proper, it is perfect to be taught of Yeshua, Himself. This has always been my way of study, and I have always listened to Paul's recommendation to do so, be rooted in Him. One may learn all there is to know about whether or not to obey the commandments and laws from the Savior, Himself. To go to anyone else to change His specific commandments is a risky endeavor at best. When He teaches all the law is observed if we observe the two great laws of Love, then anyone with any love for the brethren will know automatically the Ten Commandments are included for they show respect and love for all. If we offend, we are forgiven for we live in grace, but to teach against any of these is offensive to the family in Yeshua.

The two laws of love are the greatest of all the Law and are the fulfillment
1 Corinthians 13:8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
1 Corinthians 13:4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
Get this installed in you from the resurrection and no need to follow not only the Ten but 613 in all, the Love of God installed in you by the resurrection all Law is filled, under a new covenant, new priesthood not of Levitical in the order of AArron. under this new Law of Love God's way, not man's, Abrahamic promise filled in Christ first the death to release us from bondage and then the life the rerssurrection for the new life where we get the love of God that man kind cannot receive of the flesh for all sin has been condemned to the flesh
Romans 8:3For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,
Allk the more reason to come to belief and be alive in the Spirit here and now
Romans 5:10For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

 

[homwardbound]

Jaumej, What law did Abraham have ,this law that you adhere too. Where did his sons, Issac and Jacob find law. Or was it faith and faith in what. Faith that a redeemer would come and set them free and free from what. From the power of sin. Did the law set a man free or did it show him his sin. Why did the saints of old long for their redeemer. It is the cross that sets men free. Not the Sabbath.

Yes

Hebrews 8:7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

 

[homwardbound]

I think I do know some what, People do not accept the cross as their only means and feel that they must do something to earn it. It is a free gift and cannot be earned. Whether by observing a day or keeping rules. It is a free gift

Yes, yes and yes it is

Romans 8:32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?
Romans 4:2
If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.
Romans 9:32Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone
Romans 11:6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

 

[homwardbound]

The book of Galatians is a book containing 6 very shortchapters. In these 6 chapters circumcision is mentioned 16 times. Thecommandments are not mentioned at all. Not once. Yet, those people that wish todo away with GODS commandments use scriptures from Galatians to try and do so.The law of circumcism is one of the carnal ordinances of the law that werenailed to the cross. Those that wish to do away with Gods 10 commandments willalso try and tell you that the ordinances and the ten commandments are simplyparts of the law and are not separate from one another. In saying that theywill point to a scripture thats speaking of circumcision and then apply thatscripture to Gods 10 commandments. This is done to extreme in the book ofGalatians. The scripture below separates the law, the commandments and theordinances

2 KINGS 17 [36] Butthe LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and astretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to himshall ye do sacrifice.[37] AND the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law,AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do forevermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

AND means AND

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision isnothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And although the law of circumcision was nailed to thecross, Gods law (the 10 commandments) are to be kept.

Matthew 9:13But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Romans 12:1[ A Living Sacrifice ] Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
And how can anyone of us do the above? We can't but God can and has by the resurrection you can have that also today by belief and in asking God will do so if you believe, therefore
Romans 5:10For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

 

[homwardbound]

"Rest in Him"? Whats that mean? Where in scripture do you find you can make this claim to the end of not obeying His voice (as found in Hebrews)?

By unbelief they did not enter his rest the day of provocation no belief Faith in, murmuring and complaining over and over never satisfied so they never entered his rest
Hebrews 3:18And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Hebrews 4:10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

 

[homwardbound]

If we have been regenerated in the spirit, are we to keep the 10 commandments in the letter? Are we not under the Law of Christ?

Jesus stated clearly that unless one is born again he or she cannot see the Kingdom of God meaning regeneration. The individual's old nature tainted by sin is shattered or put to death and a new creation united in Christ emerges. We become born again or born of God and now God has made his dwelling place in us guiding us and instructing us in His ways pouring out His love in our hearts to obey after the spirit. (John 3; Romans 5) Jesus' death and resurrection made this possible for we were united in His death and His resurrection in which now we serve God after the newness of the spirit and not the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:6) We became dead to sin and alive to righteousness after the spirit by faith. Romans 6:10 "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."

Now that we are dead to sin and are to be continued to be counted dead to sin we strive to walk and live after the spirit and love as Christ loved which is the Law we are now under: the Law of Christ. (John 13:34-35 Galatians 6:2) We do not and cannot keep the 10 commandments according to the letter since they apply to the flesh and condemn the flesh once we fail to keep it perfectly Romans 7:25. In the flesh we can only serve sin because we are dominated by the sinful nature which strength is the Law of God. So is the Law of God bad? NO, because the Law brings us to Christ revealing the need for a redeemer. However, the Law of God are not pushed aside as being obsolete or abolished their true intentions are now fulfilled in the Law of Christ!


How can some one worship in spirit and truth yet be alive to the letter of the law in the flesh (sinful nature)? Romans 7 states that this is spiritual adultery… You can’t be alive to the flesh and state you are in the truth in the spirit. Why? Because if you advocate observance to the letter you are alive to the flesh deceiving yourself in trying to keep the letter of the Law which is not of faith. The New covenant is of the spirit and gives no room for any confidence in the flesh since the flesh is now dead crucified with Christ and is to be continued to be counted dead. The Law is now written in our hearts and this Law is of the spirit not of the letter which kills. (2 Corinthians 3) The letter kills because again it’s the strength of sin ever since we were sold to sin (Romans 7:14)

What about Paul stating the Law is not void but rather that we uphold the Law? Upholding the Law (Torah) means to agree that the Law is good and perfect and that it is to be obeyed but obedience is of the heart (Romans 6:17). When we confide in Christ alone realizing that we contribute nothing (no dead works according to the letter but rather faith working in love Galatians 5:6b) we are upholding the Law since He has kept it perfectly. The Law (Torah) exposes sin for what it is and you need to be counted dead to sin that Christ may live in you otherwise your flesh will have dominion over you as it is provoked by the Torah in your members. Those in the flesh cannot please God but if you are dead to sin opposed to being dead IN sin, you are then abiding in the new creation that God has created through His Son’s sacrifice and resurrection which is Christ in you the hope of Glory! A regenerated spirit is one with Christ and in order for that transformation to manifest outwardly one must die daily to me, myself and I, that Christ may be the center bearing fruit to the glory of God. Upholding the Law (Torah) and not making it void does not mean that we can now keep it in our flesh. It means that inwardly we are to recognize that we have transgress it and instead of excusing ourselves or justifying sin we are acknowledging our sin and thus bringing death to our flesh as a result, but living in the spirit because Christ lives in us. John 4:24 is exactly that when taken into context and compared with Psalm 51:6, Job 38:36, Jeremiah 31:22 (Rightly dividing the Word). Just as Jesus revealed to the Samaritan woman her sins and she truthfully responded in saying she had no husband she was demonstrating what the Father desires from us. The Father desire that upon our sins being exposed that we truthfully speak or expose what we are harboring in our inward parts which is sin which is transgression against the Law (Torah). Partial obedience is not what the Father wants because compare what happened to Saul in 1 Samuel 15, he was rejected! We will never obey in our FLESH (the sinful nature) the Law (Torah) because it provokes our flesh to sin and because it is not of faith. If a little yeast works through the whole dough what do you think a little sin would do? Could you imagine our thoughts on display for everyone to see? It would expose anyone and everyone. To worship in spirit and in truth is to willingly admit and acknowledge our sin and the wages of sin is death to our flesh but in Christ it doesn’t have to mean death to our spirit as well. Why? Because Christ lives in us and we are united in spirit with the Author of Life.

For God can be only:
John 4:23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
No flesh involved, no will worship

 

[homwardbound]

Many folks here are telling believers that because they are so familiar with the deeper things, those too profound things for normal mortals that choosing to obey the Ten Commandments is contrary to Jesus Christ, Who, incidentally, observed the Sabbath and taught the manner we may also observe it.
These same folks insist we follow how they interpret Paul because they are well in touch with the most profound learnings, yet Paul teaches as long as we observe a day or not observe a day with a clear conscience towards God there is no sin.
These are the same who will tell you suicide is unforgiveable or a very bad sin because we are not supposed to kill, this is a law within the commandments, and we should not kill, but are not these knowledgeable folks a bit confused here?.
If a person says he follows the Ten Commandments because it is a pleasure, these same super gifted folks say they must follow all of the law if they obey the commandments, not even beginning to understand the laws that fall within the two great laws of love will will never be out of the realm of following while there is an earth, moon and sun.
People who are gifted from above love Jesus so much, they will do all they can to please Him, knowing they will stumble now and then, but also know the Lord, God, Himself will be there to pick us up and forgive us.
To all those who understand those profundities they pass on as new laws not even from God, cease this practice and stop judging another man's servant. If you have a clear conscience toward the Father, good, do not destroy what God has built elsewhere, not that it could be done.

Jesus' purpose here on earth was to:
Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Then after proof of who he is by the miracles and making man aware of their own depravity that it is impossible for man to enter heaven he then after fulfilling the Law that kept men dead and kept the first chosen sacrificing with guilt year after year never getting their consciences purged from doing sin Jesus yelled out
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What did this do the death how amny sins did he die for?
1 John 2:2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

How many are left? and what is next?
Romans 1:4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
For you by asking from God to be raised as well
Romans 6:5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Have you yet been planted and see what he did now the depth ot bring you here and now into a new life resting in him
1 Corinthians 15:12Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1 Corinthians 15:13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
Philippians 3:10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

 

[Laodicea]

The Bible says the Law is good, just, holy & spiritual. Because the sabbath of the Lord is part of the Law of God then then the Sabbath of the Lord is good, just, holy & spiritual. Jesus freed us from the curse of the Law-death. Why would He free us from something good, just, holy & spiritual?

 

[homwardbound]

Christ said He was the I AM and it was the I AM who gave the 10 commandments.

And it was and is the IAM that filled them all along with the Prophets Fro that is what he came to this world through the Virgin Mary to do was first to:
Matthew 5:17[ Christ Fulfills the Law ] “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Then after he prooved who he was and when he was att he cross he yells:
John 19:28[ It Is Finished ] After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!”
John 19:30So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
So did he fulfill the law and the Prophets or did he not? And what did this death do?
Hebrews 9:15That is why he is the one who mediates a new covenant between God and people, so that all who are called can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.
So are we today forgiven past tense or not? Are we in a new Covenant or are we not?
Hebrews 12:24You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for vengeance like the blood of Abel.
Hebrews 8:13When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
Hebrews 9:15That is why he is the one who mediates a new covenant between God and people, so that all who are called can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

And people today are still committing sins under the first covenant trying to be good in frontofothers and God when

Romans 3:20Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 8:3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
Romans 8:9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Therefore let us finalize the cross and agree with God that we are past tense forgiven and thus die with Christ att he cross and ask to raised back to life with Christ here and now reckoning ourselves daily
1 Peter 4:6For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Colossians 2:13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
How many? ALL, how many are left then for you or you or you?

Therefore let us die daily of the flesh in the Spirit of our new Man and be alive daily in the Holuy Ghost of God
Romans 5:10For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is obvious that many folks comment without understanding the point made.

 

[homwardbound]

This does not say Jesus replaces the 7th day. Also, as indicated by Laodicea, Jesus did say he is I Am, and I Am is the One Who gave us the gift of the Sabbath. Jesus obeyed unto death, and this means He observed the commandments. My friend you are dragging this out to ridiculous lengths considering it is only recently men of little scruples began teaching this heresy that we are no longer to look to the commandments for the treasure of the wisdeon contianed in the. He who teaches against the least of these laws will be the least in the Kingdom, and the commandment to keep the seventh day holy (separate) is hardly one of the least. Beware of what you purport to others who already know the Lord, if they be weak, you may cause one to stumble.[QUOTE=homwardbound;958288]Matthew 12:1[ Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath ] At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

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I am at rest in God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Ghost just as God is at rest form the seventh day when he created this world, I have ceased from my works as he has ceased from his and this is what you apparently donot understand yet as being in him, nad I appreciate you and how you believe, and I see that you are in him, and am appreciative to our MERCIFUL LOVING GOD. For he has received you and me and I am no one to judge another Masters servant for both of us by God will stand as God is able to do this brother. All in Love brother
Romans 4:21He was fully convinced that God is able to do whatever he promises. (I am convinced through Faith)
Romans 8:39No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 16:25Now all glory to God, who is able to make you strong, just as my Good News says. This message about Jesus Christ has revealed his plan for you Gentiles, a plan kept secret from the beginning of time.
Ephesians 3:20Now all glory to God, who is able, through his mighty power at work within us, to accomplish infinitely more than we might ask or think.
Hebrews 7:25Therefore he is able, once and forever, to save those who come to God through him. He lives forever to intercede with God on their behalf.
This is waht I put my trust in and he has colme through and Iknow without a doubt that God will continue this and this is why I am at rest without fear for :
1 John 2:5But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1 John 4:12[ Seeing God Through Love ] No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
1 John 4:17[ The Consummation of Love ] Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
1 John 4:18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

 

[homwardbound]

The Bible says the Law is good, just, holy & spiritual. Because the sabbath of the Lord is part of the Law of God then then the Sabbath of the Lord is good, just, holy & spiritual. Jesus freed us from the curse of the Law-death. Why would He free us from something good, just, holy & spiritual?

Becasue:
Romans 8:3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
And this is wht one needs to be born again in the Spirit of God and is why today God can only be:
John 4:24For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”
Ephesians 1:13And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.
All believers have today the Holy Ghost and are alive in the Spirit of God by the operation of God and God only justone needs to beleive God not man as man keeps mixing flesh and Spirit which does not mix.